Canon R5 Announced with 8k
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ahalpert
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It's part of the grieving process. Such a lovely camera
Here's a funny paragraph from EOSHD that I thought was on point:
"The latest debacle for Canon is of course the appalling reliability of the EOS R5 and R6 for their intended purposes – high quality 4K video shooting. BUT! They are stills cameras I hear people cry! Well somebody should tell the Canon marketing department then! 8K video this! 4K video that! Professional filmmaking tools! Peter McKinnon uses one! Peter McCanon himself!!"
NorBro
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This is the part you should be quoting:
"He doesn’t mention how long the average take was. How long did the camera continuously record for? How long were the gaps in-between, even approximately? He doesn’t mention what kind of rhythm the shoot followed or even whether the camera was left switched on in live-view between takes! Even missing, is the total shoot duration – was it half a day? Two full days? 8 hours on the go? Who knows?!"
"He doesn’t mention how long the average take was. How long did the camera continuously record for? How long were the gaps in-between, even approximately? He doesn’t mention what kind of rhythm the shoot followed or even whether the camera was left switched on in live-view between takes! Even missing, is the total shoot duration – was it half a day? Two full days? 8 hours on the go? Who knows?!"
ahalpert
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I was quoting Reid where he explains why people like me are miffed.
As for cinema5d's R6 review that you're referring to - it's clear that the R6 will not work for FF 4K documentary shooting. There is no pixel-binned mode for the R6 to fall back on that does not overheat. That is the purpose of a real-world review like that - to see how the camera works in practice, not I'm theory/lab testing. Perhaps it can work for other uses, but not general doc shooting. You don't need stats on his record times to know that
Run&Gun
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Fair enough... I guess.
Who the f u c k is Peter McKinnon and why should I care if he shoots Canon?
I guess I can just somehow cut the BS and figure out what a tool is really made for and brush aside the worthless marketing crap.
ahalpert
Major Contributor
For shooting that requires absolute reliability? Basically yes. I mean, we already know it overheats. Could he be LYING? Did he stress the camera on purpose? Seems unlikely. This is not Tony Northrup. Cinema5d, as the name suggests, has always been Canon-friendly
ahalpert
Major Contributor
I never heard of peter mckinnon before this. I would like to buy an R5 and am agonizing over the limits of its reliability and questioning if I could make it work under the most optimistic assessments. Hence all my bitching
NorBro
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It has nothing to do with people lying or ulterior motives; and everything to do with individual experiences.
It is like the Twilight Zone with you and these cameras and wanting to continuously record all day with them, but each day you wake up it's like you somehow don't remember this and then learn all over again and realize they are not for you and tell everyone about it.
These are not the cameras for you.
It is like the Twilight Zone with you and these cameras and wanting to continuously record all day with them, but each day you wake up it's like you somehow don't remember this and then learn all over again and realize they are not for you and tell everyone about it.
These are not the cameras for you.
NorBro
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I just think you need to follow your gut.
You know it's not the right tool but you desperately want it to be.
99% of professionals who know exactly how they use their cameras for their work knew on July 9th, July 10th the latest, that this would not be the right choice for them...at least not as a one camera for everything.
You know it's not the right tool but you desperately want it to be.
99% of professionals who know exactly how they use their cameras for their work knew on July 9th, July 10th the latest, that this would not be the right choice for them...at least not as a one camera for everything.
ahalpert
Major Contributor
Well...lots of people bent over backwards to work with the 5Dmk2. But that was a quantum leap forward - interchangeable lenses, large sensor. The pocket 4K had battery and screen issues to deal with. Sometimes a good tool is worth working around. The question is how much do you have to work around it and can you afford to.
Even my lovely no-fuss S1 had a weird issue where if I stopped recording too quickly after starting, it would take 8x longer to write the file than normal, or even hang writing and I'd have to pull the battery. Ok. So I never cut too soon and would have to remember to let it roll a little longer. Annoying but not debilitating
Even my lovely no-fuss S1 had a weird issue where if I stopped recording too quickly after starting, it would take 8x longer to write the file than normal, or even hang writing and I'd have to pull the battery. Ok. So I never cut too soon and would have to remember to let it roll a little longer. Annoying but not debilitating
Yes. To have a reliable tool for doc style shooters, news, longer reportages - I guess the two modes Canon themselves suggest dont overheat is the way to go: ie 4K APC-crop or PB FF 4K. Would be nice if someone could test those modes.
I have C300m2 and have been using the R as an 8-bit 420 b-cam or a-cam on a gimbal connected to a video devices PiX for 10bit 422 or occasionly as an acam without gimbal with PIX. What would I gain from changing to R5? 1)Ibis 2) internal 10-bit 422 3) smaller footprint without PiX.
Worth it? Dont know. C300m2 is great but sometimes you want to have an even smaller set up. Looking for a tool thats gets out of the way, just works and works beautifully. Been using the GH5 and A7rii before too...
I have C300m2 and have been using the R as an 8-bit 420 b-cam or a-cam on a gimbal connected to a video devices PiX for 10bit 422 or occasionly as an acam without gimbal with PIX. What would I gain from changing to R5? 1)Ibis 2) internal 10-bit 422 3) smaller footprint without PiX.
Worth it? Dont know. C300m2 is great but sometimes you want to have an even smaller set up. Looking for a tool thats gets out of the way, just works and works beautifully. Been using the GH5 and A7rii before too...
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I have a better one. "This camera is horrible. It won't do what I want. I think I'll buy two".
Which just might work.
Liam Hall
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Have you used it?
Liam Hall
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You may be right. For me, it's a B-camera, so it's not a mission-critical piece of kit. It's not the first Canon stills camera to overheat shooting video. The 7D suffered the same. It didn't stop thousands of people buying the 7D as their primary video camera.
Canon often gets a lot of hate on release. I remember tearing into them when the C300 was announced. I bought one four months later though.
Liam Hall
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So many people online (particularly YouTubers) worrying about a format they will never use, rarely use or can't afford to use. But yes, I take your point and we won't really know until we have the camera and run it through its paces.