Canon R5 Announced with 8k

He said he’s upset about the overheating at 120fps. What? He said he s only going to shoot pixel binned 4K because it doesn't overheat. What?

More than 18 minutes of 120 FPS is already too much and there’s a boatload of cams that shoot pixel binned 4K for a tenth of the price . Save your money pal you got a kid to feed.
 
puredrifting said:
Everyone is different and works differently but for me, shooting BTS and documentary, often outdoors in the sun, this overheating completely
rules out the Canon R5. IMHO, Canon should have made a video variant and put a fan in it like the S-1H. But they didn't. Bummer.
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Do you shoot a lot of 120fps?

I'm not remotely concerned by the overheating issue.
 
When most people make up their mind on something like that without even trying the camera first let alone even seeing it with their own eyes in real life, it's difficult to change their mind.

Someone who enjoys critical thinking might explore another view or mindset and think...

"Well, maybe I'll try the 4K lower-quality modes at least once and see how they compare with my X-T3's 100-200 mbps. And since I'm already using a C200, maybe another Canon would be a better fit in my overall workflow instead of mixing in the Fujifilm. And the AF is also better so that's a plus since the questionable AF on my X-T3 has ruined some of my slider shots in the past."

(Those are all facts from pure himself.)
 
NorBro said:
I've never watched an entire T&C N video (that was the first one).

Still think they deserve all of the success in the world as I mentioned the other week ...
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I would speculate they make most of their money off their tutorial videos, which can be priced in hundreds of dollars. With 1.4M subscribers, their potential customer base is huge.

Plus, they get a cut off gear sales.

Plus sponsors.
 
puredrifting said:
Everyone is different and works differently but for me, shooting BTS and documentary, often outdoors in the sun, this overheating completely
rules out the Canon R5. IMHO, Canon should have made a video variant and put a fan in it like the S-1H. But they didn't. Bummer.
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The pixel-binned 4K does not overheat. The question is - how good does it look? It seems to me that it looks pretty good, judging by the quality of the slow-mo (which reads the sensor the same way).

And you still benefit from the AF and the color science and the compatibility with all the lenses I already own.

Then you've got HQ, RAW, and HFR for when you need them. Like the slow-motion jumping dancer in haute couture dresses at the beginning of my reel that I shot in HD30p on my 7D and twixtored - that would have looked SO much better on this camera's 4K120p.

I'll hold out to see HQ/non-HQ comparisons as well as - believe it or not - how the HD looks (hopefully no gotchas there).
 
Way more resolution and detail too.

P.S. Side Note - Recently saw this Pocket 4K video you might appreciate...a little 2.5 minute masterclass (second-half showing lighting/set design).

Pure raw talent and ambition.

 
puredrifting said:
Everyone is different and works differently but for me, shooting BTS and documentary, often outdoors in the sun, this overheating completely
rules out the Canon R5. IMHO, Canon should have made a video variant and put a fan in it like the S-1H. But they didn't. Bummer.

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Yes but as I wrote above in this loooong thread, for docu the 4Kcrop 5,1-downsamped HQ WITH THE METABONES RF TO EF SPEEDBOOSTER might be an option, no overheating and the only 4K DCI 10bit 422 ALL-i with IBIS and great AF out there? The pixelbinned 4K-FF might work as well and the R6 (but without DCI).
That said - the a7siii might be a good option too, lets see.
 
NorBro said:
When most people make up their mind on something like that without even trying the camera first let alone even seeing it with their own eyes in real life, it's difficult to change their mind.

Someone who enjoys critical thinking might explore another view or mindset and think...

"Well, maybe I'll try the 4K lower-quality modes at least once and see how they compare with my X-T3's 100-200 mbps. And since I'm already using a C200, maybe another Canon would be a better fit in my overall workflow instead of mixing in the Fujifilm. And the AF is also better so that's a plus since the questionable AF on my X-T3 has ruined some of my slider shots in the past."

(Those are all facts from pure himself.)
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I did think about all of those things, I'm out. Too many limitations, not a very good value equation for what I shoot and the situations I shoot often in.
Not saying it's a bad camera but too many little niggling things to appeal to me. From a practical level, I already have three X-T3s, they were cheap, they shoot
beautiful 4K, I prefer S35 over FF, don't care about 6K and 8K, am not in the least bit intrigued by RF lenses. It's not the camera for me. No biggie.
True the AF will be better than the cameras I own, but I can get by a few more years with the Fuji eye detection and the C200s DPAF.
 
Woof. This overheating thing may be an issue even for intermittent recording.

"The footage was recorded in downtown Los Angeles on an 80-degree afternoon. I was able to record about 16 minutes of 8K DCI footage before the camera started blinking an overheat warning. Mind you this was not 16 minutes straight, but shooting different video lengths over the course of about an hour. While the camera no longer allowed me to shoot 8K, it could continue shooting 4K DCI or 4K UHD to that same SD card immediately."

https://nofilmschool.com/canon-eos-r5-initial-impressions
 
This is my largest hesitation. It is tough to quantify how long the camera will stay active and able to record. Many will not need to run a constant take but if intermittent recording still results in a shutdown, then that is just too much anxiety for anything other than 8k vacation use. Same thing goes for the 4k 120p. If you go into that mode for a little while are you tanking the rest of your day for normal filming? Once heat gets created, it is tough to get rid of in a passive cooling environment. Deal breaker? I guess it really depends upon if you need the 8k or high quality modes for everything one shoots. I also wonder if the compressed 8k actually creates more heat than the RAW since the compression is going on at a feverish pace.

Abe has it right, consider this camera to be a pixel binner for anything outside of special use cases and then make your purchase decisions.

I look to the R6 and wonder if it is any better in this regard? We will have to see.

BTW, I am getting pretty tired of the attitude shown at the end of this article and so many are saying of "its got 8k in your pocket, quit complaining endlessly" and "get a video camera etc...". Whatever. Trying to see these things at higher levels and see IF they fit into more professional workflows. 8k doesn't mean very much if the camera shuts down during your job. Then the finger pointers can say - "you should have done your research etc..."
 
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I'm a little foggy on the R6 but I think it overheats in every mode. I dont think it has an unoverheatable pixel-binned mode to fall back on. I read someone say 4k24p may not overheat while 4k30p would but I dont know where they got that from.
 
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Sony have been blamed with overheating issues but these new Canons are smoking hot is appears. It's not like Canon to do this at all as they are used to play it safe and serious overheating issues makes it unreliable and useless for work.
 
ahalpert said:
I'm a little foggy on the R6 but I think it overheats in every mode. I dont think it has an unoverheatable pixel-binned mode to fall back on. I read someone say 4k24p may not overheat while 4k30p would but I dont know where they got that from.
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I'm pretty sure the R6 has a 4K crop mode like the EOS R. I would guess that mode doesn't overheat as long as you aren't shooting 60p.
 
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