Canon R5 Announced with 8k

NorBro said:
It doesn't matter what the terminology is.

We can call them "stops" or "pops" or "jelly drops".

If a higher number of pops or jelly drops equals more stabilization of your frame then the technology is going to have an effect on stills or motion pictures. I see less stabilization in my videos with less of them.
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Not arguing semantics but it's telling that the amount is measured in terms of photography (stops). If it really only works for photos then whether one camera has 4 stops and the other 8 stops it's a moot point. I'm far more a results kinda guy not believing specs too much. In my experience I've never seen IS really do a lot for video, but I'm always ready to change my mind based on real results.
 
Peter C. said:
In my experience I've never seen IS really do a lot for video, but I'm always ready to change my mind based on real results.
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I see...that makes more sense. :smile:

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(And it was always measured in stops for stills first because IS in photography existed way before any stills camera had video, or video with IBIS for that matter. But the technology affects both applications; just for different purposes. Both people - photographers and videographers - have the same end-goal = stabilization.)
 
FWIW, with all these new cameras coming out, Fuji has dropped the XT3 price down to $999.

The AF is free.
 
NorBro said:
Hopefully you read the part above about the updates (meaning what you saw was regular IBIS).

IMO, in general, it's best for static, little movement (slight panning/tilting).

No one expects IBIS to provide cinematic/dolly-like camera movement like on a support device.
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I was hoping for it to be more dolly-like on GH5 after seeing how well it seemed to work on the Olympus. But I agree, it's best for static, little movement, slight panning tilting. It has one good mode, forget what it's called but it does a good job locking the frame on a static shot. It's ruined some shots too when it goes crazy on a tripod or even a gimbal. It's especially awful in the corners with wide angle lenses, i.e. Pana-Leica M4/3 8-18mm. I feel better off putting the GH5s (non-ibis) on a gimbal except then AF still is undependable. I have come to prefer optically stabilized Canon EF lenses without ibis. It just causes me fewer problems if ultimately doesn't have as many stops of shake reduction.
 
puredrifting said:
Another facet of the "Adobe Monthly Premiere Masochist Tax."
You should switch Danilo, a lot of others are. I have three friends
who have all turned off their CC subscription and went to Resolve or FCP X.
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Thanks for suggestion, but I've tried to use both FCP X and Resolve with no luck, too many differences with Premiere Pro, I just can drop the video on the timeline but I can't figure out how to edit very well...
 
Danilo Del Tufo said:
Thanks for suggestion, but I've tried to use both FCP X and Resolve with no luck, too many differences with Premiere Pro, I just can drop the video on the timeline but I can't figure out how to edit very well...
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the thing with FCPX is: if you expect just another premiere or FCP7 you will be frustrated and quit the trial.
The benefits of media handling and keywords are priceless. So is the magnetic timeline. You have to
be open for sth new. The moderate price is only a nice side effect. FCPX is for me the main reason to
stick with Apple hardware
 
FCPX is not like learning a new language, more like learning a new dialect. Some of the words are different and they have a funny way of doing things, but the grammar is the same and you can do everything you want to do.

The T tool takes over a few functions from premiere.

The magnetic timeline and being able to nudge things can speed things up.

The only thing I miss is having discrete tracks for when I want to select all the titles at once or something.

But the proxy workflow is so, so easy. And I love background rendering and exporting so you can keep editing while you export.

Give it another try! An event is a bin. A project is a sequence. I dont even know why they bothered renaming some of this stuff...
 
Danilo Del Tufo said:
Thanks for suggestion, but I've tried to use both FCP X and Resolve with no luck, too many differences with Premiere Pro, I just can drop the video on the timeline but I can't figure out how to edit very well...
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Premiere to Resolve is MUCH easier. Resolve even has Premiere keyboard shortcuts you can map to. LOts of free tutorials of Blackmagic's site and youtube too.
 
Regarding the IBIS. I've seen BTS scenes where the operator is holding the R5 with screen flipped out and walking normally and it looks terrible because theres just not enough camera mass, with no hand placement areas to hold the thing right for smooth shots. You can't get a smooth shot with any IBIS that way. If they rigged the camera simply with just a cage and one extended handgrip doing a duck walk I think the IBIS would help immeasurably.
 
mico said:
Regarding the IBIS. I've seen BTS scenes where the operator is holding the R5 with screen flipped out and walking normally and it looks terrible because theres just not enough camera mass, with no hand placement areas to hold the thing right for smooth shots. You can't get a smooth shot with any IBIS that way. If they rigged the camera simply with just a cage and one extended handgrip doing a duck walk I think the IBIS would help immeasurably.
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I think it would help...measurably. but I guess that's my point - it can take the edge off whatever situation you already had going. Not replace it
 
mico said:
Regarding the IBIS. I've seen BTS scenes where the operator is holding the R5 with screen flipped out and walking normally and it looks terrible..
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This is just not what IBIS is made for.
Shooting in this way is just a more or less stupid attitude.
I'd rather use an iPhone on a selfie stick.

I had great results with the GH5 filming handheld using the viewfinder.
I had better / excellent results with the Panasonic S1 even standing on top of a ladder.
It almost looked like tripod shot.

But for walking the IBIS doesn't correct your steps.
 
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There are dozens of fake R5 videos uploaded every day so it's a full-time job finding the real ones, but this one appears to be real and showing some 8K BTS and IBIS work:

 
Oh man I feel 120fps is now going to become the most overused feature and that in the next year theres going to be 120fps fatigue. Im already feeling it.
 
mico said:
Oh man I feel 120fps is now going to become the most overused feature and that in the next year theres going to be 120fps fatigue. Im already feeling it.
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I almost can't think of anything visualy worse or more dumb looking than unmotivated slow motion. Maybe unmotivated speed ramping with slow motion is worse?
As things that used to be difficult to do technically become super easy, the value of their aesthetic is completely lost as the masses abuse, overuse and beat that dead horse into the ground.
Bleach bypass, tilt and shift lenses, teal and orange grades, slow motion abuse. It's the playing Stairway to Heaven in the guitar store syndrome.

Funny, I'm producing a documentary about a sport that has a lot of fast motion, water flying, dramatic facial expressions. You'd think we'd want to use a lot of slow motion, but every time we sneak a little slow motion into the
trailers we've been cutting, it makes me feel uncomfortable because it's so lame looking (we shot most of the b-roll at 60p just in case we wanted to use any slow motion) and we end up taking most of all of it out, because
slow motion has become totally spoiled even with cameras that can only do 60fps and it just looks cheesy. 120fps just makes this abuse more painful. Slow motion is largely becoming a crutch and the sign of a hack unless it's well done
and enhances instead of detracts from the visual language.
 
mico said:
Oh man I feel 120fps is now going to become the most overused feature and that in the next year theres going to be 120fps fatigue. Im already feeling it.
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It happens whenever a cheap, hot camera comes out with HFR.

Man that shot of the sparks scattering on the floor is intensely beautiful. Looks like he shot the whole thing bare-hand which must have helped with coming in close on the guy's hand and controlling the rotation of the camera. Pretty cool. Not a fan of the look though. A little too crushed, not enough detail for me to gaze at
 
Theres no doubt the images are great. Its been shown and established. No debate for me. But I'm waiting for someone not under Canons heavy hand to let loose with some night footage, some RS footage. I can't watch any more models, slow motion, and unboxing with kids around, no matter how cute they are.
 
The RS looks very controlled in all of these random videos I have been posting (especially PM's whipping around in the knife video), but a full test with resolutions, framerates and modes would be nice.
 
Overall, I am liking the skin tones from the videos. No more "non-skin tone" skin tones imho. A pretty big corner to turn for this level of camera. Also the footage is showing a lot of micro contrast without a heavy low end. Another milestone for hybrids fro Canon. I am being sold on the quality of the video footage and I am already sold on the stills capabilities.
 
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