Canon R5 Announced with 8k

mico said:
No idea about other monitors. My portkeys you need to purchase an add on module for control but I don't want it because I use manual lenses and don't really need the other functions. The r5 will probably be my first with great useable AF.
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So you're gonna play with AF now? What someone needs to come out with is camera control of a focus motor so you can use autofocus with manual lenses. I'm sure it wouldn't be as good as fancy internal AF motors. But that would open up these capabilities to a lot of vintage and cinema glass
 
I have tilta handgrips and motors and I love them. The motors can be powered from a USB port like on th BMcc 4k/6k and they can be set for short throw focus lenses as well as long throw. Speed adjustment, a+b sets etc. I love them and it makes being a operator/focus puller much easier. I will put them on an r5 too.
 
NorBro said:
Over the weekend, this thread has become the official record holder for most replies for a topic in the "Industry News & Information" section with - at the time of this writing and including this post - 1637 replies.
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This thread is over heating. I hope the DVX server doesn't have to be shut off in order to cool down.
 
mico said:
I have tilta handgrips and motors and I love them. The motors can be powered from a USB port like on th BMcc 4k/6k and they can be set for short throw focus lenses as well as long throw. Speed adjustment, a+b sets etc. I love them and it makes being a operator/focus puller much easier. I will put them on an r5 too.
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So no AF for you basically?
 
NorBro said:
You ever see those two "horns" on an ARRI?

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I've rigged those horns back in my AC days but never to the motor, just for a distance display for the 1st AC, which seemed positively useless to me.

I dont think this approach has taken off. But it's positively primitive compared to the object and people tracking across the frame that phase detect can do. I predict there will be integration like this but with the camera CPU directing the motor and not cinetape
 
ahalpert said:
So no AF for you basically?
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One of main reasons for getting the cam is the great AF and IBIS
on the R5. Just another tool that will makes life easier without having to deal with extra tools sometimes. I'll use it and I'll go MF too. Gimbal, no gimbal. Its great to have options.
 
mico said:
One of main reasons for getting the cam is the great AF and IBIS
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Call me a heretic, but I think IBIS quality is overemphasized for video shooting. Seems more important to me for stills.

IBIS is great for taking the edge off your gimbal or handheld bobbles. But I haven't found the reportedly worse Sony IBIS to be any less effective than my GH5 and S1 IBIS in that regard.

IBIS quality seems more important if you're bare-handing the camera and doing moves. But I dont think that's advisable or good-looking even with the best of IBISes so I won't be ditching my rigging anytime soon
 
I'm very excited for it, especially after the firmware updates to enable the advanced communication & stabilization.

Some RF lenses will have up to 8 stops. Including this beauty (7.5 stops).

Canon RF 70-200mm.jpg
 
ahalpert said:
Call me a heretic, but I think IBIS quality is overemphasized for video shooting. Seems more important to me for stills.

IBIS is great for taking the edge off your gimbal or handheld bobbles. But I haven't found the reportedly worse Sony IBIS to be any less effective than my GH5 and S1 IBIS in that regard.

IBIS quality seems more important if you're bare-handing the camera and doing moves. But I dont think that's advisable or good-looking even with the best of IBISes so I won't be ditching my rigging anytime soon
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From what I've read IBIS for FF can't offer the same amount of stabilization as M43 because there isn't enough room for a FF sensor to move around for any significant effect. That being said I agree, pros use gimbals. I've seen people use slow mo and hand held ibis for quick broll slider/gimbal simulations. With the right scenario and a skilled operator many things are possible...
 
Peter C. said:
From what I've read IBIS for FF can't offer the same amount that M43 because size of the FF sensor there isn't enough room for it to move around enough for any significant effect. That being said I agree, pros use gimbals. I've seen people use slow mo and hand held ibis for quick broll slider/gimbal simulations. With the right scenario and operation most anything is possible...
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Maybe in the past. Canon now officially holds the record with most stabilization with this new technology (beating Olympus with 7.5 stops).
 
Measuring stabilization in stops only makes sense to me when dealing with comparative shutter speeds and a static framing. It says nothing about how the device handles a moving frame and readjustment therein. Which, it sounds like they've done quite a good job with. Although the vlogging footage doesn't look as smooth as iphone stabilization (which probably adds digital crop I suppose). So, all well and good for holding the camera steady. For panning and tracking, I'd like to be rigged or at least braced and let the IBIS smooth the rough edges
 
Any of the footage that you see online is not using 'coordinated IS control' yet.

Only the camera's regular IBIS.

Due at a later time for lenses before R5's July 9th announcement (see fine print).

The newly announced lenses will of course ship with it (85mm f/2, 600mm, 800mm, etc).

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ahalpert said:
Measuring stabilization in stops only makes sense to me when dealing with comparative shutter speeds and a static framing. It says nothing about how the device handles a moving frame and readjustment therein. Which, it sounds like they've done quite a good job with. Although the vlogging footage doesn't look as smooth as iphone stabilization (which probably adds digital crop I suppose). So, all well and good for holding the camera steady. For panning and tracking, I'd like to be rigged or at least braced and let the IBIS smooth the rough edges
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I agree. Stops are for photography not video. IS for these cameras is first and foremost for getting a sharp photograph with telephoto lenses hand held, lower shutter speed, or the elimination of shutter shake not really intended for video.
 
It doesn't matter what the terminology is.

We can call them "stops" or "pops" or "jelly drops".

If a higher number of pops or jelly drops equals more stabilization of your frame then the technology is going to have an effect on stills or motion pictures. I see less stabilization in my videos with less of them.

The video below is supposedly a RF 70-200mm at 200mm pre-firmware. I will take any stabilization I can get. And gimbals for any real movement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTGq4-DGy10
 
Right - better IBIS makes a better static tripodesque shot

The problem with reporting stops is it indicates nothing about behavior when you're intentionally panning/moving and you only want to stabilise the camera along the axes you don't intend to move. Canon IBIS implementation talks about different sensors that pick up on different kinds of camera motion that made me think they would be taking operator intent into account. So I'm optimistic

Some of the review shots I saw with a photographer walking her camera forward looked awkward. Less shaky than without IBIS, but still with an uncertain sway

I like IBIS. My only point is that for how I use it, Sony's crappier implementation is probably good enough
 
Hopefully you read the part above about the updates (meaning what you saw was regular IBIS).

IMO, in general, it's best for static, little movement (slight panning/tilting).

No one expects IBIS to provide cinematic/dolly-like camera movement like on a support device.
 
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