Canon R5 Announced with 8k

The current compression rate in the r5 seems to be around 4:1 (scaled from the 6k figures of the p6k to the 8k sensor in the r5). So, there's some good compression there already. If they take it all the way up to 16:1, then the bitrate would be similar to what I have with my p4k shooting cDNG 4:1, and very similar to what I would have on a p6k with BRAW 8:1. When considering the possible move from p4k to p6k, I thought about all this: I really don't want more resolution, but having the option of similar bitrates through increased compression lessens the pain. There's still the pain of editing with all that higher res, though. But at least card size and storage can become manageable.
 
ahalpert said:
Whoah - it looks like Canon is already talking about an R5 firmware update that will add lower-bitrate 8K RAW as well as Canon LOG 3...

https://www.eoshd.com/news/canon-eo...for-canon-log-3-and-lower-bitrates-in-8k-raw/

That's kind of amazing, especially since it indicates a high degree of firmware upgrade love for the camera. Makes me wonder if the heat management can be improved... we might not know this camera's true potential for a year
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Saw that this morning on CR. I think it came from a translated Japanese rumor site. BUT someone should not buy it with that as a factor, even if it was Canon directly saying it(I would buy it today as-is, but I don't care about the video portion as much).

Buy a camera(or any gear) for what it can do today, not what it MIGHT be able to do tomorrow.
 
Looks like CR already took it down unless I can't find it (which if they did then they probably think it's false).
 
NorBro said:
Looks like CR already took it down unless I can't find it (which if they did then they probably think it's false).
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Sorry. I shouldn't have made it sound like CR "officially" posted it. A poster in one of the threads on CR repeated it.
 
I'm going to make an official rumor post right here - you can feel free to repeat this as fact everywhere else:

By Christmas Day, the R5 will receive a firmware upgrade to record 8K RAW 1000fps at 1Gbps and also confer coronavirus immunity to its user. Pass it on!
 
NorBro said:
They started 13 years ago (although the content quantity was less), so they deserve it.

Some people get a few million subs after a couple of years.

A lot of people hate on YouTubers, but it's a lot of work, especially if you're editing everything.
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It is. And, had I been starting a streaming service, I'd not be Quibbling with the narrated Hollywood content but sign up a lot of Northrup types and offer them a better pay than YouTube.

As to the new Canon codec, if it simply discards a lot of information, it'd be pretty close to the line skipping 6K that I believe they should have installed from the get-go. At 1/2 of the 8K, those 6K recording times should be able to get close to 30 min. But there's more control in software. And Canon can still advertise as a compressed 8K. Hooray for marketing.
 
It's been common knowledge for like 10 years that those Watsons can last just as long as the LPE6s. But for other much cheaper & inferior ones, for sure.
 
AndreeOnline said:
I certainly have. And found out that they aren't.
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How so? They broke for you or didn't hold a charge as long as they were supposed to?

I have bought some off-brand new Chinese lpe6 batteries on ebay for a couple bucks no-contest auctions that have lasted longer in my 5Dmk3 and ikan monitor than my Canon batteries do

These have been going strong for me:
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And this one which I bought 7 years ago for $15:
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NorBro said:
It's been common knowledge for like 10 years that those Watsons can last just as long as the LPE6s. But for other much cheaper & inferior ones, for sure.
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They last "UP TO as long as a real LP-E6" just the same as a laptop's battery life lasts UP TO 12 hours.

First they went with the mAh. Canon batteries used to have around 1850 or so. The competition quickly realised 2000 mAh sounds better. Ah, but the competition's competition would not have it! They could do better: 2200 mAh. I haven't checked recently... have we broken 4000 mAh for a Wazzabi yet? Or maybe a reeeeeally red colored Piri-Piri Power?

Alright, so people quickly realised the scam. A new breed emerged. "Alright people, we know 90% of LP-E6 out there are just scams". Acknowledging the fact—nice. "But we are different!" We use the same CELLs as the Canon's. But we buy ours on the fish market. Much cheaper. But same. Or, actually... ours are a little bit better. Let's say 2000 mAh. But let's not make a big deal out of that. They are the same. Cells. But microscopically better.
 
AndreeOnline said:
They last "UP TO as long as a real LP-E6" just the same as a laptop's battery life lasts UP TO 12 hours.

First they went with the mAh. Canon batteries used to have around 1850 or so. The competition quickly realised 2000 mAh sounds better. Ah, but the competition's competition would not have it! They could do better: 2200 mAh. I haven't checked recently... have we broken 4000 mAh for a Wazzabi yet? Or maybe a reeeeeally red colored Piri-Piri Power?

Alright, so people quickly realised the scam. A new breed emerged. "Alright people, we know 90% of LP-E6 out there are just scams". Acknowledging the fact—nice. "But we are different!" We use the same CELLs as the Canon's. But we buy ours on the fish market. Much cheaper. But same. Or, actually... ours are a little bit better. Let's say 2000 mAh. But let's not make a big deal out of that. They are the same. Cells. But microscopically better.
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A battery really doesn't need this much conversation but...

Watson makes over a dozen different batteries versus the many other knock-off brands you may be thinking of whom mostly try to capitalize on one or two popular battery types, and then eventually go out of business or are rebranded to something else.

In other words, in the media world you may personally prefer SanDisk - and Canon is SanDisk - but there are also other choices like Lexar and Transcend.

Sure, they aren't the best, but they can do the job just as well for many people.
 
NorBro said:
Wish List...

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Reality... LOL

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Just for fun, I created a wish list for myself for the R5.
Camera, Control Ring Adapter(I think I'll like having "manual" iris control since I can actually see what it's doing), Spare (Canon) Battery, 512GB CFast Card, Lexar Reader. ~$4817.

Approaching $1K for just four basic accessories. And 65% of that is for a single memory card. CFexpress is a kick in the stones... Yeah, you can buy a smaller, less expensive card, but GB per $, the 512 is the best value.

*corrected card type*
 
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My 3rd party lpe6 last longer than my canon lpe6. Even if they lasted half as long, they would still be a great value and the only reason for concern would be if I couldn't change my camera battery during shooting
 
$80 for a Canon battery vs. $40 for a knock-off. I'm going Canon. We're talking $40 vs. $80 not $400 vs. $800 and I don't need 10 of them, either.

I actually think the original Canon battery that came with my 5DII in 2008 is still working.
 
NorBro said:
In other words, in the media world you may personally prefer SanDisk - and Canon is SanDisk - but there are also other choices like Lexar and Transcend.
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I always start with the cheapest option that seems authentic.

So when it comes to memory cards I'm still in the cheap camp because I've had zero failures with flash media. Then again, it's easy to recognise faulty media: it drops frames or stops recording.

With batteries someone might get 20min out of a P6K and think "wow, this camera really draws a lot of power", and not think twice about the brand of the battery. Even the 'in the box' LP-E6 is off brand "Blackmagic Design".

Latest buy was a Silcon Power CFast that shoots until full in all modes of the P6K. 256GB for $139.

Maybe the spread in quality is less in flash media than in battery cells? I've tried more than a handful off brand LP-E6 at various times (whatever was popular at the time: just like you recommend Watson now).

I'm done with the battery copy cats but I honestly wish you all continued good luck with your alternatives.
 
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