Canon R5 Announced with 8k

Liam Hall said:
The looks of disgust on their faces when they discuss the cost of a CFExpress card and how long it will record 8K video... ...It's 8K RAW FFS!
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it's always the same story. People want a car with the speed of a Porsche, loading capacity of a Sprinter, consumption of a Prius and at a price of a Yaris.

All these YT reviewers have to spit out a view generating story without having touched the camera. Very sorry for them </irony> (!)
 
Clermond said:
it's always the same story. People want a car with the speed of a Porsche, loading capacity of a Sprinter, consumption of a Prius and at a price of a Yaris...
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But most people are reasonable or no car, camera or home would ever be sold or even built. The question with R5 is the same as with any other product - does it provide reasonable value for its price? For photos and an occasional video, A7RIV may be a better buy. For video and occasional photo, R6, A7III, S1, Z6 or A7SIII may be better buys. For video only, it may be C200. All these products are crippled by their respective manufacturers. Which is not the fault of the manufacturer per se but of the consumers who refrain from making their demands known.
 
ahalpert said:
The latest sony rumors say new 12MP sensor. I dont know if that's a quad Bayer 12MP sensor or just straight 12MP. I don't really care. Good enough for me.

Unless I need to crop in - which is rare - I'm not personally a "that 4K looks softer than this 4K" guy.
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I have not read about the Sony cameras, but 12MPX is a pretty bold move as many, many photographers would pass on this low of a number. Pretty much a video-only model for sales. Great but it does not seem like a big market. But maybe the GH5s surprised on the upside? The GH6 (and maybe GH6s) are right around the corner too. So it think I am going to hold off on any purchase and let some more chips fall on the table. The R5 & R6 are great for stills imho but the video side has a lot of question marks. Specs mean nothing if the heat stops the party.
 
Liam Hall said:
The looks of disgust on their faces when they discuss the cost of a CFExpress card and how long it will record 8K video... ...It's 8K RAW FFS!
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They’ve been getting their teeth kicked in by some on the stills forums. Consensus I saw was basically STFU you ‘know nothings’.
 
Bassman2003 said:
I have not read about the Sony cameras, but 12MPX is a pretty bold move as many, many photographers would pass on this low of a number. Pretty much a video-only model for sales. Great but it does not seem like a big market. But maybe the GH5s surprised on the upside? The GH6 (and maybe GH6s) are right around the corner too. So it think I am going to hold off on any purchase and let some more chips fall on the table. The R5 & R6 are great for stills imho but the video side has a lot of question marks. Specs mean nothing if the heat stops the party.
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Any MFT cameras would now need some ridiculous specs to compete as they wouldn't have much else going for them besides their great size (and the size of the lenses if using MFT).

They always had the video edge in mostly a full package (besides AF), but now...what's left?

If they can't improve on AF then they would need something crazy like 16 stops of real DR to even the field because having only 4K/120p and IBIS over a small sensor aren't going to cut it unless the camera is lower than the price of the Pocket (around $750).
 
Question: what are the reasons to get an R5 instead of an R6 if one doesn't require:

- RAW
- 8K
- ALL-I
- 4K120P
- HIGH-RES stills

?
 
Well if the GH series is competing against overheat with Canon, then they have a place. If the Sony comes in at $2,500 or less and does not overheat with basically the same specs as the GH5 with some extras in FF, it will be tougher. But, I find the GH5 to be very easy to work with in a video setting. Its noise is what needs to be improved as well as the AF. If both of those were improved, I think a lot of folks would want to carry forward the torch for video. A GH6s with better AF, IBIS and maybe some RAW would be very compelling.

Looks like there will be a lot of great choices. be the fall.
 
ahalpert said:
Question: what are the reasons to get an R5 instead of an R6 if one doesn't require:

- RAW
- 8K
- ALL-I
- 4K120P
- HIGH-RES stills

?
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Not much...better EVF, slightly bigger LCD, and a top screen (that's mostly useful for photographers).

And maybe "perception" as you like to call it.
 
If you at least left the ALL-I in you could have a worthy argument (we simply like more data), but if you take that out then there really is no good reason at all to get the R5 over the R6.
 
Bassman2003 said:
I have not read about the Sony cameras, but 12MPX is a pretty bold move as many, many photographers would pass on this low of a number...
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Which is why (presumably) Sony is coming out with it. Having said that, new upscaling algorithms are quite capable of getting double or quadruple photo resolution. These services ain't cheap but far more affordable than buying two cameras. And, for good measure, video resolution can be upped too (if you have enough time and PC horsepower)

Run&Gun said:
They’ve been getting their teeth kicked in by some on the stills forums. Consensus I saw was basically STFU you ‘know nothings’.
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They know how to get 1.4 million subscribers. That's enough.
 
They started 13 years ago (although the content quantity was less), so they deserve it.

Some people get a few million subs after a couple of years.

A lot of people hate on YouTubers, but it's a lot of work, especially if you're editing everything.
 
NorBro said:
If you at least left the ALL-I in you could have a worthy argument (we simply like more data), but if you take that out then there really is no good reason at all to get the R5 over the R6.
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I haven't personally seen a huge difference in ALL-I over long-GOP. Maybe the compression algorithms have improved. If I'm not rolling a lot, I'll take ALL-I. But I've shot way more long-GOP on my GH5 and FS7. It's all the S1 offered.

So for me, between giving up unlimited 4K60p or giving up all-I... but definitely gonna wait to see A7SIII.

GH6 - I don't see how it can compete in low-light. And i don't see them developing incredible PDAF overnight
 
My "only" concern with the R6 so far is the little footage I've seen doesn't look that amazing

But for that matter, I think the pocket 6K might look better than the R5...
 
ahalpert said:
GH6 - I don't see how it can compete in low-light. And i don't see them developing incredible PDAF overnight
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It depends on what low-light is. For some 5000, 8000 is more than enough which the GH5S could easily do.

ahalpert said:
My "only" concern with the R6 so far is the little footage I've seen doesn't look that amazing

But for that matter, I think the pocket 6K might look better than the R5...
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There is no doubt. Hollywood images are produced from Blackmagic cameras with little effort.

The Japanese can't compete. Or they can, but it will take a lot of work in post.
 
NorBro said:
It depends on what low-light is. For some 5000, 8000 is enough which the GH5S could easily do.
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I've had to shoot 60p 1/120 footage on dance floors and night exteriors that were so dark you could barely see... f/1.4 at ISO 25k or 50k handled it nicely with strong color reproduction but not looking weirdly overexposed. So basically I want ISO 25k but ideally cleaner than my s1!
 
Yes, the big three are going to have their drawbacks for each system. I prefer the Canons for stills and Panny for video. Sony has never excited me much with their colors & look but it has improved. Imho the GH series does not need to match the AS&III for light gathering if it can get clean ISO 6400. Special situations probably need more. That is about all one needs for most situations in video. Anyway, there is a lot to be seen yet, so I am going to check out until more gets tested and released.
 
Also looks like if you want decent Wi-Fi the R5 is the choice - the module WFT R10B is for R5 only by the look of it. Deal breaker for me because I use a lot of linked cameras on remote triggers so R6 isn’t an option.
 
At some point, Sony introduced an option in their cameras to turn off the setting that shuts it down if it's overheating (with you understanding the risk of any potential damage).

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And seems like a fully articulating screen is confirmed.
 
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