Run&Gun
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It could be a pretty good stock footage camera. At least those that want to get ahead of the curve and make 8K stuff available.
Canon R5 Announced with 8k
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It could be a pretty good stock footage camera. At least those that want to get ahead of the curve and make 8K stuff available.
Run&Gun
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From my perspective, the A7 series cams are good little "gimbal" or lock-off alt-angle cams for video, but horrible stills cameras, from an ergonomic/user perspective. And as has been said, the Canon's are the opposite. All of my 5 series cameras feel great in the hand to actually shoot stills with. I even have hand straps on the grips so they remind me of my real cams. Allow's you to "let go" of it and not set it down/drop it when you're not shooting, too.
ahalpert
Major Contributor
That might be a way to get a few extra dollars out of stock...from what I read, the royalties are not what they used to be. And from when I've bought stock as an editor, we always go for the lowest resolution we can use. So, even if we were mastering in 4K, we would not buy the 8K version
But if someone wants a shot in 8K, then yes, you might be the only supplier of the stock!
Sony has had more than 4 years to get this camera off the ground, let's hope that Sony has better follow through than Canon did. ( I want to see a Sony camera with IBIS that can match Panasonic for handheld shooting )
ahalpert
Major Contributor
I basically agree with you. But a lot of photogs have switched to Sony. Some for the small, lightweight bodies. Some for silent shooting (like the excellent Doug Mills of the NYT). Some for the high res sensors and lenses. Just saying - pro photogs shoot Sony too. Tho some of those advantages were just due to mirrorless form
ahalpert
Major Contributor
Ibis is low priority for me personally. Supposedly canon has done an excellent implementation tho
Run&Gun
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Didn't he go with the A9, though? Which I believe is a little larger(?). I still don't like the small, squared-off bodies.
NorBro
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What changed that you're now including 24p in that?
Jim Arthurs
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8K stock is for the kiddy table crowd...
Six years ago I was contracted to design a time-lapse rig/process to shoot a before dawn to just after sunrise (4x real-time) cloud sequence for an in-development Chinese "Walking with Dinosaurs" style production in Beijing.
Once the development was finished, the promised actual show contracts vanished, we were kicked out and they used our research to do it themselves. The venue was one of the Olympic buildings, and the resolution was slightly greater than 16K, with many, many overlapping 2K projectors showing slices of the images to fill the 300' wide background screen.
Here was my final cloud demo proof of concept (please right click and "save as" to download before playing), and only download if you have a 4K monitor.
http://files.datausa.com/imageshopp...anel_tests/GigaFlow_time-lapse_cloud_demo.mp4
I though about getting back into the "stock market" with 16K time-lapse work, but never followed up on it.
Also, I just found the link to the final show they created... The budget at the time we were doing design work was to be 180 mil or so...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kZjoJYT5TQ
ahalpert
Major Contributor
Did I ever say oversampled 4K 24p would work?
Andrew Reid of EOSHD writes this although it's not clear to me if he bases his assertion on canon literature/spokespeople:
"The 8K sensor mode (up to 30p) obviously creates a lot of heat and has potential for some severe rolling shutter (around 32ms).
The 4K HQ mode (up to 30p) is oversampled from the same sensor mode as above and comes with the two drawbacks above...
If you need to reduce rolling shutter and want the most reliable performance with no heat-issues – select the non-HQ 4K modes at 30p, 25 or 24p.
If you want to improve image quality in 4K, but are happy to have the camera stop working in the middle of a shoot (potentially) – choose 4K HQ mode."
ReelFilmGeek
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What makes them a horrible still camera for you? Just curious as I have been using them since the first generation r series as I was already in the sony platform with the fs700 for video and was trying to keep everything the same as they were often my b cameras. I'm currently debating on switching brands between all the cameras coming out as I do like the RF mount and the lens designs (plus the komodo is RF if I go that route). That said I have found the A7R series tethered into capture one has done wonders on set for me. I know you mention feel in the hand, and I've been using a battery grip to help with that with the A7R but that's not something I notice often as I am on the tripod 80-90% of the time.
Also don't bring up sony menus because you would be right and it will make my head hurt. THey aren't bad once you learn and customize them I feel like but the fact each generation has a new menu makes it a pain when working with several on set haha.
NorBro
Major Contributor
I thought it was clear that if it's not on the chart it's not included?
Why would they list 5+ different settings and just leave off one? 24p?
ahalpert
Major Contributor
You therefore expect that 8K RAW 24p has no overheating limit since it's not on the chart? Seems unlikely to me
My impression was that there would be slightly different overheating times for different framerates at a given processing method. And they only listed the overheating time for one framerate per processing method
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Both models are crippled in a way that doesn't overlap their features. A7SIII could have had the A7III 24 MPX sensors for better stills and R5 could have had binned/cropped 6K to avoid the thermal problems. But somehow their relative advantages and disadvantages fit each other like a glove. I wonder why.
PS. R5's thermal shutdowns are timed for the indoor temp (23C/75F). Take it outside into the summer sun and humidity and you might end up with ... a complete uncertainty. Caveat emptor. You may have just bought yourself a $4,000 brick.
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NorBro
Major Contributor
We should both wait instead of adding to the confusion based on what other people are saying who may not even have the camera.
ahalpert
Major Contributor
You sound like Fox Mulder
. I thought you and NorBro were saying that Canon only produces hybrids and Sony produces a specialty video body. The true hybrid shooters seem pleased with the R5. A video shooter (like myself) who occasionally takes stills and could even have another body on hand for it if necessary is happy with the A7SIII rumors.Cartel collusion? I'm not convinced