C100: Canon.. is november

Its close to the perfect camera for me as well, its just pity that it is crippled unnecessarily. Would it really have hurt to give it the same codec as the C300?

MattDavis said:
A little note of caution here: if you DO go with a Ninja (I think you will), do try ProRes HQ early, compare and contrast with the 'middle ground' ProRes 422, avoid anything below... the macroblocking gets WORSE than with AVCHD (in my experience).

I agree that there are certain setups that seem to hit an unfortunate harmonic. Its as if the C100 uses a sort of 'diffusion dither' approach in its use of 8 bits per channel, and this can choke the compressor - especially in flat areas of tone around 25-35 IRE that needs to be a major part of your chiaroscuro background (sigh).
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Thanks I will defiantly test that. My main problem is exactly what you describe, bad macro blocking in the 20 - 35 IRE range, and I have tried all gammas and it does not make a difference. Hence I am reluctantly looking at the recorder option. Does anyone know where I can download some ProRes 220HQ Clog footage that is shot in dim interiors? It would be great to be able to see what differences there are. Since I live in Iceland I need to order all this gear in from the states just to test and it will be expensive.

AVCHD is working relatively fine for me when there is light, but at dusk and inside without a lot of light it really doesn't work for me.
 
Ok guys - went to the Canon Hollywood Service Center, and apparently they don't have a lot of information there either. Basically, they know it's coming but aren't quite sure how it will work. They don't even know for certain if it's a sensor swap or some other hardware upgrade. The current thought, based on the price tag, is that it's going to be a sensor swap; if they were swapping out the mainboard or modifying it, then it would probably carry a more expensive pricetag. But again, they couldn't say for sure.

As for future upgrades, everyone was pretty mum. Either they really have no clue about what could be in store for future updates/upgrades, or they are brilliant at acting dumb. Wish I could tell you guys more, but that's all the information I was given. I did relay a few of the things that I knew everyone would be excited about, and they thanked me for the suggestions and said they would pass that along.
 
My Canon contact told me it's a sensor and firmware upgrade. However until we see it in writing we all are guessing.
 
quality of the new sensor will be as good as it is now the C100?If autofocus is just about .. I do not think many users are interested in using the C100 so want to exchange the sensor..
 
According to this there will be no sensor change

"I've mentioned many times in the past that Canon USA follows this forum closely. This morning one of my contacts high up the chain at CUSA sent me an email regarding this particular discussion. Here's the official low-down:


1. There is no need to change the image sensor in the EOS C100 digital video camera in order to perform this feature upgrade.


2. This is an optional upgrade, and as such it will not be installed at the factory for future shipments of the C100.


3. Within the Cinema EOS line, the Dual Pixel CMOS AF feature upgrade is being offered exclusively for the EOS C100 camera.


4. Currently, we have no information to share about Canon's plans for other existing or future products. "
 
What do you guys think the turn around time on something like this could be?

I have a project at the end of February that I'd really love to have this for.
 
Curnsie said:
3. Within the Cinema EOS line, the Dual Pixel CMOS AF feature upgrade is being offered exclusively for the EOS C100 camera."
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This makes no sense to me, unless you pay a small image quality penalty going the Dual AF route. I hope not, but there has got to be some reason.


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EDIT: there was talk about the sensor in the C100 already being "prepared" for this feature from the beginning. But it's supposed to be the same sensor in all three cameras so...
 
AndreeOnline said:
This makes no sense to me, unless you pay a small image quality penalty going the Dual AF route. I hope not, but there has got to be some reason.
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It has sense for me.

If you have "broadcast level" camera you have a very good EVF (or LCD) and you have no autofocus.

If you have semiprofi camera you have only poor EVF (or LCD with limited position) and you can need to use autofocus (which gives you "auto result" and it is not the same as the best quality result).

So for me it is ok.
 
AndreeOnline said:
This makes no sense to me, unless you pay a small image quality penalty going the Dual AF route. I hope not, but there has got to be some reason.


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EDIT: there was talk about the sensor in the C100 already being "prepared" for this feature from the beginning. But it's supposed to be the same sensor in all three cameras so...
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market separation
 
Erik Naso said:
My Canon contact told me it's a sensor and firmware upgrade. However until we see it in writing we all are guessing.
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I was at the CCW Expo in New York today. Canon had on display a C100 with the enhanced focus modification. The Canon rep said it was one of two enhanced C100s in the country. I got a chance to play with it a little bit. The camera had a Canon EF 35mm f1.2 still lens attached. The Canon rep said the upgrade will include a sensor replacement. The sensor will have the 70d auto focus technology, however, it will not have all of the auto focus features of the 70d, such as facial recognition. The camera uses approximately 20% of the center of the image for focus tracking. The auto focus appeared to work quite well on the demo C100. I had a camera rep move around and as long as she was in the center of the image the camera stayed focused on her. I think this is a worthwhile upgrade to the C100. The only downside is the auto focus feature will only work with Canon EF lenses.
 
wow, canon needs to get its act together, i've seen numerous reports that it IS a sensor replacement and numerous reports that is IS NOT.

Seems like a communication/translation issue, but jesus canon, you're CANON, figure it out
 
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