Canon HV20

I know it's a consumer camera but that doesn't mean it would hurt to know exactly what the camera is doing when cine mode is activated, if gain is added when you crank up the exposure, etc. Knowing your camera is the key to better images.

I think it's image quality looks anything but consumerish so I am fully convinced that an HV20 + 35mm adapter can give some stunning results for that kind of money.

An internet store here in Sweden called Dustin Home claims that they will be able to deliver the HV20 on the 12th of March, which is 11 days from now. I hope they can, but I doubt it.
 
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I was actually referring to the guy that decided that it was too consumerish for a consumer camera.

I agree. An HV20 + 35mm Adapter is probably going to be more than acceptable.
 
Kholi: Right... I knew that. :D

TimurCivan: I'm not too worried about the manual focus since I would probably use an adapter. If you are not planning on using an adapter though, I agree the focus control looks not so good. I think most people that are going to use this camera will not even bother with manual focus.

The gain control however is the big problem. I read somewhere that you can turn the gain OFF on the HV20 but apparently it still adds gain if you set the exposure high enough. I wonder if there is any way to find out exactly where the camera starts to add gain. Again, this is something that won't bother most people, but I'm not most people.
 
Norbert said:
The gain control however is the big problem. I read somewhere that you can turn the gain OFF on the HV20 but apparently it still adds gain if you set the exposure high enough. I wonder if there is any way to find out exactly where the camera starts to add gain. Again, this is something that won't bother most people, but I'm not most people.
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Here is your quote:

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?p=860769#post860769
 
Cancel red alert... I spoke with my local Canon guy this afternoon, and now (after speaking with his supplier) he says the HV20 is NOT in stock, and will ship "in late March." .. maybe a week or so early, but not next week. Sorry for creating any confusion.

On a brighter note, he quoted me a price of $925 (plus 3.5% machine tax). Not bad for 1080p 24p. :thumbsup:
 
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xh a1 timeline intercutting

xh a1 timeline intercutting

will the hv 20 have the same sequence settings in the nle as the xh-a1, both in their 24p and 24f respective settings, such as final cut?

also, is this true progrssive due to the cmos? will it actually have "better"resolution than the 1080i of the xh series?

thanks and sorry if these have already been asked. couldnt find direct answers though.
 
Sean Michael said:
On a brighter note, he quoted me a price of $925 (plus 3.5% machine tax). Not bad for 1080p 24p. :thumbsup:
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Holy crap $925? Ummm, can i get his number? I was gonna preorder on amazon but that's almost a $200 difference from the msrp!

Hey Barry, earlier in this thread you said something about the HV20 being easier to edit on Vegas than on FCP (or something to that effect), would you be able to elaborate? I'm an FCP user and it would freak me out to buy this cam and then not be able to edit it the way it's supposed to look with 24p.
Thanks in advance
Glim
 
I will PM you the details. The shop is a local professional-oriented firm and they don't sell too many consumer products. I made a 25% down payment yesterday to lock in the price.

I'd like to find a good 43mm thread wide-angle lens for the HV20, also.

Of course, with the M2 attached, it won't be an issue. I'm experimenting now with a Sony HC3 and the M2. There's a fair bit of noise in the resulting image (alas, a hallmark of the Sony in light-challenged environments). One suspects the HV20 will perform this task better than the HC3.

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GlimmerGhost said:
Hey Barry, earlier in this thread you said something about the HV20 being easier to edit on Vegas than on FCP (or something to that effect), would you be able to elaborate?
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I'm not Barry, but I think it's becuase the update for Vegas 7 features 2:3 pulldown removal for HDV. Sony added this feature for the HVR-V1U which shoots 24p in HDV with a 2:3 pulldown, and is virtually the same format the 24p is in from the HV20. FCP doesn't have this feature yet. Am I right Barry?
 
Sean Michael said:
There's a fair bit of noise in the resulting image (alas, a hallmark of the Sony in light-challenged environments).

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You're not saying the noise was caused by the M2 not letting enough light in and resorting to gain to brighten the image, are you? Why would this be? Shouldn't a larger lens focus more light on the sensor?

I've seen footage from the HC3 before and in low light situations, it's pretty noisy.
 
AuditoryVisuals said:
You're not saying the noise was caused by the M2 not letting enough light in and resorting to gain to brighten the image, are you? Why would this be? Shouldn't a larger lens focus more light on the sensor?

I've seen footage from the HC3 before and in low light situations, it's pretty noisy.
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Yeah, the HC3 image suffers a lot of noise in low light situations. I just noticed some noise in test shots that was unexpected, but this may have been due to a less-than-ideal mount to the M2. Since the M2 is designed to accomodate prosumer cameras like the DVX, it will take a little trial and error to mount a smaller camera like an HC3 or HV20. So far I've used copious amounts of gaffers tape. :laugh:

The upside of mounting a small camera to the M2 is mobility. I mounted the combo on a DVRigPro yesterday and it handled fine (although it probably looked a little strange).
 
Nice looking M2 rig, dude.

Can't wait to see what the HV20 looks like paired with one. Edit: Sean you got any footage from your HC3 adventure?
 
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AuditoryVisuals said:
I'm not Barry, but I think it's becuase the update for Vegas 7 features 2:3 pulldown removal for HDV. Sony added this feature for the HVR-V1U which shoots 24p in HDV with a 2:3 pulldown, and is virtually the same format the 24p is in from the HV20. FCP doesn't have this feature yet. Am I right Barry?
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Exactly.
 
Kholi said:
Nice looking M2 rig, dude.

Can't wait to see what the HV20 looks like paired with one. Edit: Sean you got any footage from your HC3 adventure?
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If you go to the Redrock forum they have some M2+HV10 footage there...which should give more or less a general idea of what the HV20 should look like with the M2...hum...actually, I don't know about that. The HV20 is progressive and it has a cinema preset...the results might be quiet nice.
 
I'm wondering about the HDV 2:3 pulldown removal in Vegas. Wouldn't it require recompressing to HDV due to the GOP structure, or at least capturing on the fly to an intermediate codec like CineForm?
 
AuditoryVisuals said:
FCP doesn't have this feature yet.
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Yikes! Do you think FCP will get around to getting this? I mean how will this affect the footage when editing? And is there anyway around it short of buying Vegas?

... hmmmm, how am I gonna explain this to the wife?:Drogar-BlackEye(DBG
and the real question, will she really even care?

Thanks in advance guys,
Glim
 
GlimmerGhost said:
Yikes! Do you think FCP will get around to getting this? I mean how will this affect the footage when editing? And is there anyway around it short of buying Vegas?
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Apple is supposedly set to release FCP 6 at NAB in April so we'll find out next month, I hope.
 
Hey so if I dont want to edit natively, whats the recommended software for converting hdv into a manageable codec that I could edit in FCP?
 
You can always edit in FCP, you just can't remove the pull down. If you shoot 24p, it is recorded with a 2:3 pull down but within a 60i stream. So, if your version of FCP supports HDV 1080i60, you will be able to edit natively.
 
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