Canon HV20

Barry_Green said:
You can do it, sure. But why not just get the Letus that flips for you? Or the forthcoming Cinevate with flip... I dunno, I just can't be bothered with that whole flipping-the-image-upside-down workflow. I tried it with the G35 and such, and while the G35 image was surprisingly good, the whole upside-down workflow is just too... well... I dunno. To each his own, but Quyen has already proved that you can make one that flips for you, for half the cost of the non-flippers, so I think we should start demanding right-side-up adapters from these folks instead of accepting the silly upside-down implementations!
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I haven't seen enough footage from the LetusFlip to compare it to what I see from the SGpro (Which is my top choice). I'd like to see some more HVX + LetusFlip footage, certainly.

How much is the new Cinevate going to be?
 
I think HV20 + SGpro would be a killer combo! Too bad the SGpro doesn't have flip, but I'm sure it will work just fine to mount the HV20 upside down. The real benefit of this is you don't have to go through the flipping in post.

Does anyone know if the HV10 will need the achromat to be able to focus on the GG on the SGpro? Something tells me it's just the larger cameras that will need the achromat. Does the achromat provide any other benefits than helping to focus on the GG?
 
Am I the only one who thinks the stills and video samples available from the HV20 aren't that impressive. They look pretty nice if your a bit zoomed out, but looking at the actual pixels seems to show an unatural artifact. It looks kind of like it's been blurred and then sharpened in Photoshop to hide grain and color noise. It looks similar to the images I get from my bottom of the line Kodak Easyshare still camera. Is this due to jpg compression, or is this an artifact of the cameras image processing geared towards a lower lux rating? If that is the case, could you get a better image by recording straight through the HDMI? Would that bypass anything? Also I wonder what people think about the latitude of this camera.
 
Gordon Prince said:
Why do you prefer the SGPro instead the Brevis? Okay, it's sharper but it's not the same bokeh...
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Personally I think the SGpro rev 2 has the most convincing bokeh out of the bunch and it looks like it's the sharpest adapter. That's what's important to me. The Brevis is very easy to set up on the other hand. That might be more important to someone else.
 
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jeans said:
Am I the only one who thinks the stills and video samples available from the HV20 aren't that impressive. They look pretty nice if your a bit zoomed out, but looking at the actual pixels seems to show an unatural artifact. It looks kind of like it's been blurred and then sharpened in Photoshop to hide grain and color noise. It looks similar to the images I get from my bottom of the line Kodak Easyshare still camera. Is this due to jpg compression, or is this an artifact of the cameras image processing geared towards a lower lux rating? If that is the case, could you get a better image by recording straight through the HDMI? Would that bypass anything? Also I wonder what people think about the latitude of this camera.
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For tests I think they look great. I'm sure when the camera hits shelves and the owners tap it's real power, llike every other camera out there, it'll be even better.

The HV10's Canon footage looks stellar... HV20 should basically be the same image.
 
Gordon Prince said:
Why do you prefer the SGPro instead the Brevis? Okay, it's sharper but it's not the same bokeh...
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yea the SGpro has better bokeh....... :Drogar-Evil(DBG):


Actually the Brevis is good too, but a vibrating adapter does not move the ggscreen in a perfect linear direction, it kinda vibrates a little bit in all direction. so what happens is i find the vibrating solutions to just softern up a tad. And this becomes your worst nightmare if you do high shutter speed work, c ause a 1/250+ shutter will freeze the gg in an "off focus plane" position, and you get this weird in and out of focus strobing and strange grain patterns on solid colors.

spinning GG, never actually stops, where as a vibrating one goes a milimeter in one direction, stops, then goes back and ofrth, and back and forth.... etc. high shutter speeds can read that.

I still like the brevis though. if the Sgpro wasnt around, i'd be using that no problems.


Jay Rodriguez said:
yeah but what would be considered the better one in the HD department?
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1 guess jay.... you get one guess..... :)
 
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Kholi said:
The HV10's Canon footage looks stellar... HV20 should basically be the same image.
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I really hope so. My biggest fear is that the HV20 will not look as sharp and stellar in the progressive mode. Anyway, I think the first test images look good, but I agree that it will probably look way better when people start discovering it's potential.
 
My local Canon dealer says the HV20 is available now... That is, his computer inventory shows it being "in stock" at their USA distributor. If what he says is accurate, the camera will be available next week.
 
I checked out the manual and it didn't say anything about custom presets...which is something I'm very interested in. I'm not expecting it to have the same image control options the A1 has, but I'm very curious to WHAT image control options it has at all.
 
It has one setting for cine color (cine mode). Other than that, you can customize the settings for color depth, brightness, contrast and sharpness. However, you can not save presets like you can on the A1/G1/H1.
This is what the manual says about cine mode:

HV20 manual said:
The camcorder adjusts various image settings to give a cinematic look to your recordings.
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I wonder if that means it just adjusts the color depth, brightness, contrast and sharpness settings to achieve that look. That makes me wonder if I will still be able to set the color depth, brightness, contrast and sharpness with cine mode activated.​
 
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Norbert said:
It has one setting for cine color (cine mode). Other than that, you can customize the settings for color depth, brightness, contrast and sharpness. However, you can not save presets like you can on the A1/G1/H1.
This is what the manual says about cine mode:

I wonder if that means it just adjusts the color depth, brightness, contrast and sharpness settings to achieve that look. That makes me wonder if I will still be able to set the color depth, brightness, contrast and sharpness with cine mode activated.​
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Very valid question...
 
After looking through the manual, this cam gives me the feel that it is very "consumerish". I wish Canon had something between the A1 and HV20.
 
Norbert said:
It has one setting for cine color (cine mode). Other than that, you can customize the settings for color depth, brightness, contrast and sharpness. However, you can not save presets like you can on the A1/G1/H1.
This is what the manual says about cine mode:

I wonder if that means it just adjusts the color depth, brightness, contrast and sharpness settings to achieve that look. That makes me wonder if I will still be able to set the color depth, brightness, contrast and sharpness with cine mode activated.​
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ive seeen grabs iof its "cinelook" mode. it actually looks wonderful.
 
I think you guys are missing the fact that this IS a Consumer camera, and is not aimed at the likes of the A1 crowd. You want something more, go for an A1. If you can't afford it, be happy with what you can now afford for 1200 dollars or less.

So the HV20 is going to be available BEFORE April huh? I guess I need to decide between this or a 35mm Adapter. WEE HAA
 
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