C500: Canon C700 Announced.

I don't think this is the same price as an amira... The body is $28k vs $45k for an amira.

Hard to justify this camera as it's basically a Varicam LT with 1-2stops less DR for almost twice the price. 4k prores recording doesn't really make up for that.

Prices quoted in the article are in £s. Street price will no doubt be less than the MRP, but it's still too expensive, under-specced and way too ugly.


Only Canon could announce a new camera sensor the day before they announce a new camera with an older sensor... ...muppets.
 
20160817_172403.jpgThe view finder is great, like the Varicam's and it runs about the same in price.....all in all, having the camera on my shoulder it really felt right...balanced, very comfortable VF (with lots of adjustments) with my face tucked against the body......pricing - it is exactly where it should be given the features, build, and the pictures it produces. I know on many of the different blogs, the DSLR budget crowd is crowing about the price but they are being unrealistic..
 
Not sure where you get that info??? The Newshooter article says it CAN'T do 2 x anamorphic.

Found it:

"C700 supports anamorphic format lenses by electronically des-queezing the image in the view nder and on connected monitors.You can take advantage of the camera’s full 4K resolution by using1.3x squeeze anamorphic lenses.
Popular 2x squeeze anamorphic lenses cover a native 1.2:1 aspectratio on the sensor. at translates to an actual resolution of 2592x 2160 pixels. is squeezed “window” can be repositioned le or right in post if, for example, you see a previously undetected,errant C-Stand lurking on the right side of frame. "




Great article by the FD Times:

http://www.fdtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/77-78_FDTimes-CanonC700.pdf
 
I couldn't afford the Amira at that time and also some of the features that I wanted for example power for the IS lenses were not there in the Amira. The C700 has DPAF and the high frame rates that some projects definitely need. Also, this camera will be found suitable for better budgeted feature films. An hour ago I was talking with a producer who wants a RED Dragon to be used in a feature film due to its high frame rates. C700 can easily fill in that gap as the colours are lovely out of the box and the low light can help in stealing lot of shots.

As always, I want the cameras to be priced lower. However, I am sure that I will definitely be one of the users of this camera.
 
No, you're just out-of-touch.

It's in your best interest to sell cameras so you don't care what the price is.

Go back and read that sentence again.

If it wasn't priced right for the market, it wouldn't sell. Why would he 'not care what the price is' when his livelihood depends on it?
 
I don't need to read the sentence again.

I am thinking about it as a camera owner/operator who has other options available for less money, or more money (for better features).

Regarding business, was the C300 Mark II priced right for the market?
 
No, you're just out-of-touch.

It's in your best interest to sell cameras so you don't care what the price is.
You are missing the point...I'm very in-touch with what is working here in town and I have been doing this for a long time. It is in my best interest to know all the equipment, know what clients are asking for, know what is being required, know what is going to be the best, overall choice for our clients given the parameters they are working under.....and so you understand, We want to sell something that goes out the door and doesn't come back (has no issues, works every time, and doesn't all apart). I care about the clients I/we have otherwise, I/we would not have a large return clientele.

Jim Martin
EVSonline.com
 
You are missing the point...I'm very in-touch with what is working here in town and I have been doing this for a long time. It is in my best interest to know all the equipment, know what clients are asking for, know what is being required, know what is going to be the best, overall choice for our clients given the parameters they are working under.....and so you understand, We want to sell something that goes out the door and doesn't come back (has no issues, works every time, and doesn't all apart). I care about the clients I/we have otherwise, I/we would not have a large return clientele.

Jim Martin
EVSonline.com

Sorry, I just didn't appreciate the delusional comment when cameras like the BM 4.6K, Terra 6K and RED Raven all offer a lot and are less than $6K (bodies), regardless of any issues.

I know the Canon will work; no doubt about it. Extremely solid cameras, always.

But you make it seem like the camera HAS to cost that much and it's so outrageous to think it can't be a little less money.

This is just my opinion; it doesn't matter what I say.

But I am a firm believer in rapid growth and advancements in technology, and I strongly believe this camera does not need to cost that much for what it offers.
 
Is there some discrepancy in pricing - $28,000 vs. $38,000 - or are there different packages?

In any case, IMO, the global shutter version will find some acceptance from those who don't like F55 colors. If the camera is as dependably made as a typical Canon, many will also prefer it over Red products. Specs-wise, it may not be the greatest with the mostest but it's good enough for most scripted TV productions, the bread and butter of the high end sales. I don't think it will find a wide popularity in the feature portion of the biz.
 
...Jim, since you've had a little time to play with it, what do you see as C700's best features over it's competitiion ?
Basically, it has everything that is needed to be an "A" camera on features, let alone narrative TV and high end docs. As I has said, it feels well balanced and very comfortable on the shoulder and not too heavy. The fact that it has ProRes in addition to the XF AVC codec is huge in my book......the right codec for the right job...plus the CODEX recorder option to handle the RAW (a standard in the industry at the top level). Since we have not seen the the working production prototype, I'm very excited to see if it goes to an even higher ISO that the C300 MK II. On the original C300, you could go to 3200ISO and it was clean as a whistle, 6400 and the noise came up a tad but Canon makes the noise move so it's not noise, it looks like film grain...in fact when you went up to 20,000ISO, the moving noise looked equal to medium speed 16mm film. On the C300 MK II, 6400ISO was the new 3200ISO....what I'm hoping for even a higher clean ISO on the the new C700 chip....And, of course, Canon's warm & creamy base DNA look...
Basically, I've been selling Canon's since the XL1 days so for me, it's really cool to see first the C300 all the way up to this C700....I'm just a big fan of really, well made stuff that lasts and works great every day.
I'm not sure if I really answered your question but just my thoughts!

Jim Martin
EVSonline.com
 
I suppose it's important to keep in mind that when someone says a camera is over-priced, or under-specced, they can only mean "for them". It is their opinion. And sure, you can compare what a camera offers and the price it offers it for, to other cameras. Again, these comparisons are also infused with varying amounts of subjectivity, preferences and opinions. So no need to argue about whether someone is wrong or whatever else.

Also, it may be fun to speculate about how well it will do in the market, or what effect it may have on the industry, but let's keep it in the spirit of fun.

It's a new camera released by Canon. They don't owe anything to anyone. If you like it you like it. If you don't, you don't. No big deal. But no need to put anyone down or create negativity around it.

Personally, I think it has a place in the industry. Traditional form-factor will help use on shoulder and rigging for scripted/studio work. Respectable codec will deliver flexible enough images...specially for folks who like the "Canon look" (compressed warm tones and greener blues). Has decent enough outputs and inputs. I haven't looked into gen-lock, time-code or other features yet so I cannot comment.

I'm wonder whether it will be a big seller amongst owner-ops, but I think it could do well in the rental market. Plus, I could totally be wrong and it can prove to be an owner-op favorite.

Canon stuff is always sold at a higher price-point. Personally, I'm just glad to have another tool that I can use to help get a new gig please a client or tell a story with budget and schedule in mind. If the rental price is too close to Alexa, I'll choose Alexa (unless I need 4k, at which point, I can now choose between C700, Reds, F5/55/65, Varicam, etc...). But if the rental price point is somewhere close to Red Scarlet W, F5, or even FS7, and it is for fast turn-around work that cannot afford a color-timing session and is well served by the "canon look", I'll shoot the crap out of that C700!

But for now, the camera has barely been announced. I'm gonna take some time to see whether and how it fits within the range of options available for rent. As far as owning one, I probably won't. But if you will, pleeeeeease share your thoughts and experiences. Super excited to hear them :)

This post is aimed at bringing back a bit more civility to the conversation, not to acuse or shame anyone personally. We all can get carried away on the forums and it's totally understandable. Not something to be ashamed of. But maybe let's step back a bit and return with cool heads :)
 
Sorry, I just didn't appreciate the delusional comment when cameras like the BM 4.6K, Terra 6K and RED Raven all offer a lot and are less than $6K (bodies), regardless of any issues.

I know the Canon will work; no doubt about it. Extremely solid cameras, always.

But you make it seem like the camera HAS to cost that much and it's so outrageous to think it can't be a little less money.

This is just my opinion; it doesn't matter what I say.

But I am a firm believer in rapid growth and advancements in technology, and I strongly believe this camera does not need to cost that much for what it offers.
You are looking at specs regarding the Ursa & the Terra, both quite new at the camera making game. There have been a fair amount of issues with the Ursa (magenta, FNP) and the Terra is not really even out yet. You are referring to body pricing without looking at a fully functional price. The Ursa cannot hold a candle to the Canon low light capability which translates into big savings in lighting alone....every time you shoot. As history tells us, the Raven will be much more money once you add all the needed parts. RED has done a great job growing, learning and implementing improvements from their start with the RED 1.
When I use the word delusional, it is directed at people who are working with a DSLR budget or expectations and expect $15,000 to $50,000 camera features to be sold for DSLR prices.

Jim Martin
 
I suppose it's important to keep in mind that when someone says a camera is over-priced, or under-specced, they can only mean "for them". It is their opinion. And sure, you can compare what a camera offers and the price it offers it for, to other cameras. Again, these comparisons are also infused with varying amounts of subjectivity, preferences and opinions. So no need to argue about whether someone is wrong or whatever else.

Also, it may be fun to speculate about how well it will do in the market, or what effect it may have on the industry, but let's keep it in the spirit of fun.

It's a new camera released by Canon. They don't owe anything to anyone. If you like it you like it. If you don't, you don't. No big deal. But no need to put anyone down or create negativity around it.

Personally, I think it has a place in the industry. Traditional form-factor will help use on shoulder and rigging for scripted/studio work. Respectable codec will deliver flexible enough images...specially for folks who like the "Canon look" (compressed warm tones and greener blues). Has decent enough outputs and inputs. I haven't looked into gen-lock, time-code or other features yet so I cannot comment.

I'm wonder whether it will be a big seller amongst owner-ops, but I think it could do well in the rental market. Plus, I could totally be wrong and it can prove to be an owner-op favorite.

Canon stuff is always sold at a higher price-point. Personally, I'm just glad to have another tool that I can use to help get a new gig please a client or tell a story with budget and schedule in mind. If the rental price is too close to Alexa, I'll choose Alexa (unless I need 4k, at which point, I can now choose between C700, Reds, F5/55/65, Varicam, etc...). But if the rental price point is somewhere close to Red Scarlet W, F5, or even FS7, and it is for fast turn-around work that cannot afford a color-timing session and is well served by the "canon look", I'll shoot the crap out of that C700!

But for now, the camera has barely been announced. I'm gonna take some time to see whether and how it fits within the range of options available for rent. As far as owning one, I probably won't. But if you will, pleeeeeease share your thoughts and experiences. Super excited to hear them :)

This post is aimed at bringing back a bit more civility to the conversation, not to acuse or shame anyone personally. We all can get carried away on the forums and it's totally understandable. Not something to be ashamed of. But maybe let's step back a bit and return with cool heads :)

+1 Well said!
 
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