Canon C100 output

avro said:
Since You are in touch with Canon Engineering, ask them if they can give us Firmware upgrade to 50P/60P in 2012.This should not be a big task since $1,000 camera can do it last 2 years....
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Canon has listened to many C300 owners and their requests for firmware upgrades....and I think we are going to see something soon. As for a 60P upgrade on the C100, I did ask this and was told it was not possible based on the capabilities of the "engine" in the C100.

Jim Martin
Filmtools.com
 
FWIW here, the implementation of 60p in the C300 is exactly the thing that would influence us toward the C300 this year vs the C100.

Honestly there are things about the C100 that are more appealing for some of our regular work (doc specifically and much of that outdoor, back country, sports.)
These are, the screen that doesn't need to be mounted, size/weight, even the AF/Exposure buttons.

Getting both as A and B cameras is very appealing but there's no way I would invest in a two camera system today where neither allowed for 60p 1080.
In essence Canon has "almost" everything with the C300.
I've been told that the 50mps codec won't allow for 60p above 720. I'd love for Canon to say otherwise.
I know that they're not going to make any promises, but we talked directly with them after the initial 5DII launch and they were very tuned in and very responsive with the requests for full manual control.
 
Jim Martin said:
Canon has listened to many C300 owners and their requests for firmware upgrades....and I think we are going to see something soon.
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If 1080p/60 got added I'd place an order for a pair of C300s right away.

Even just 1080p/48 would simplify my decision.
 
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Just curious to know why zebras are enabled on the C300's EVF monitor but not the waveform display.

Regarding possible firmware updates, I wish Canon could give us the waveform monitor as an option on the EVF display.
 
60P didnt influence my decision not to get a C300, of course I'd like it there but, clearly Canon should look at the above posts, I can see 6 sales on this page alone with the addition of 60P.

Here's a question to you guys. What if Canon couldnt make the changes to get it onto the card and you needed to use an external recorder for 60P?
 
Noel Evans said:
60P didnt influence my decision not to get a C300, of course I'd like it there but, clearly Canon should look at the above posts, I can see 6 sales on this page alone with the addition of 60P.

Here's a question to you guys. What if Canon couldnt make the changes to get it onto the card and you needed to use an external recorder for 60P?
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In a heart beat. Even 48p.
 
guys is there any other cam that use same long gop codec and has 60p? if so then its maybe possible to see it over an update, if not - probably we will never see it... but i still want c300..... most likely i will buy it over fs700!
 
Noel Evans said:
Here's a question to you guys. What if Canon couldnt make the changes to get it onto the card and you needed to use an external recorder for 60P?
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To us it would be a plus either way but obviously more so direct to CF. That's one of the real beauties of the C300 vs say, the Red workflow.
As an independent creative shop, sometimes we have full crew on set and sometimes it's run and gun, but all for high end use.
As the CD I have to plan for the worst case scenario (which is lot's of days shooting remote action in virtually any and all conditions.)
I know that we're hardly unique. In fact I think we're representative of a big chunk of potential "C" adopters.

Right now, if we continue to shoot Canon (which is what we're doing) I have to plan a second camera for every shoot.
It would be absurd to travel and shoot some of the one of a kind stuff we do with out the ability to slow some down in post.
Canon should, in my opinion, know that this is not an option for lot's of their producers but an absolute requirement.

It's pretty obvious to us and lot's of other pros that this is the one thing that keeps the C300 or C100 from being the complete production tools that they should be at this point.
The C300 and C100 as an A/B camera pair is an absolutely great opportunity, especially when the C100 can HDMI out to 4:2:2 Pro Res.
But the idea that neither of them could be shooting at 60p just ruins the party.

It's not a criticism, but a sincere request from pretty dedicated users with a **** load of EF glass..
 
anatusa said:
guys is there any other cam that use same long gop codec and has 60p?
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That was my thought.
Why not focus on recording the 60p to a reduced AVCHD codec...say the 24fps flavor and keep it in camera.
It would look a lot better than upresed 720. In fact it could be profiled in camera to cut perfectly with the 24p footage.
To me that would be the ideal solution.
 
Noel Evans said:
Here's a question to you guys. What if Canon couldnt make the changes to get it onto the card and you needed to use an external recorder for 60P?
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Add-ons would reduce the luster.

But even internal 4:2:0 1080p/48 would be workable.
 
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I am in the boat of not cross grading into the C300 or C100 because I actually do use my 60p on my FS100 on most productions. Not sure how many people do fight cinematography, but when shooting with higher shutter speeds, actually getting the hit recorded can be tough. The higher the frame rate, you can pick which frame set you want and get the hit recorded.

I guess I could keep the FS100 and pull it out when needed, but, I'd rather just shoot on one camera. If the C300 came out with 1080p60 upgrade that shot internal, that would be what would change my mind.
 
i dont see how you guys can dream or expect 1980x1080 60p long gop ...... as canon xf305 camcorder is few years on market and still no 60p , and i am sure xf305 owners are crying about it also......
 
Not sure anyone's crying about it. From what I see these guys are simply posting their position on it as it stands.
 
anatusa said:
i dont see how you guys can dream or expect 1980x1080 60p long gop..
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If the C100 was MPEG-2 (like the XF305), I'd agree with you, because we are likely to never see 1080/60p in MPEG-2.

But the C100 is AVC, using AVCHD. And AVCHD already has a 1080/60p format in it. And there are already camcorders out there that support it, including the FS100, FS700, AF100 (with SFU100 upgrade), AC160A, AC130A, AC90, and I'm sure scads of consumer cameras have it. Because the format already exists, is probably why the optimism comes about that the C100 might include it someday. I don't share that optimism, I think Canon made the product exactly as they intend it to be, but -- the AF100 had it added as a later upgrade, and the AC160 got it added as a later upgrade, so I can see why there would be optimism that Canon would do similarly.
 
Barry_Green said:
If the C100 was MPEG-2 (like the XF305), I'd agree with you, because we are likely to never see 1080/60p in MPEG-2.

But the C100 is AVC, using AVCHD. And AVCHD already has a 1080/60p format in it. And there are already camcorders out there that support it, including the FS100, FS700, AF100 (with SFU100 upgrade), AC160A, AC130A, AC90, and I'm sure scads of consumer cameras have it. Because the format already exists, is probably why the optimism comes about that the C100 might include it someday. I don't share that optimism, I think Canon made the product exactly as they intend it to be, but -- the AF100 had it added as a later upgrade, and the AC160 got it added as a later upgrade, so I can see why there would be optimism that Canon would do similarly.
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yes thats exactly what i told before ..... c100 maybe as the standard already exist and popular (still cant understand why canon used older codec) , but c300 totally agree with you - i dont believe it will ever happen!

btw i believe read somewhere here on forum that its maybe possible to write full hd 60p with c300 (but i did not understand the tech side of it)...... on gemini i think
 
anatusa said:
btw i believe read somewhere here on forum that its maybe possible to write full hd 60p with c300 (but i did not understand the tech side of it)...... on gemini i think
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In 720p maybe, but never in 1080p. The C300 has a single HD-SDI output port, which cannot handle 1080/60p. The maximum you can get out of an HD-SDI port is 1080/60i, or 1080/30p, or 720/60p. You cannot now or ever get 1080/60p out of an HD-SDI port.

You'd need two of them working together ("dual link") or a 3G-SDI port. The C300 doesn't have those capabilities.
 
EDIT: unless maybe they're talking about the HDMI output... HDMI (as a standard) has the capability to handle 1080/60p, but I don't know if the Canon C300's HDMI port has that ability.
 
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