Canon 7D killed my scarlet dreams!

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For so many reasons that you all know if the Canon 7D is similar to the 5D I will not be getting a scarlet.

The main thing I wanted from scarlet was a bigger than 1/3 sensor, better than hdv codec, and 24p no wrapper.

I now have that with the 7D at a price that is absolutely stupid low!

The other reason is now I assume other DSLR makers will come out with competing cameras at competing pricing which will make the under 2K price segment very active.
I really think the Canon 7D if it is similar to the 5D will take a lot of market share from the bottom end scarlet. I would think at least 40%. Great lenses, much cheaper, faster workflow, Red One DOF, Super 35mm size sensor, first to market, now other DSLR's will add those features, and it is a DSLR!

I wanted to wait for a scarlet but I bought a Canon 7D. I can't see myself spending 4K now for an entry level scarlet. For lower end music videos, commercials, movies,photoshoots, even some documentaries this camera will be a workhorse!

I honestly think Red will not release a 2/3 chip scarlet.
 
well we all saw what happened once dslr with video capabilities came out. Red killed the original scarlett idea and went back to the drawing board to come out with a billion different scarletts and epics later on at pretty good prices specs wise. Hopefully Red will now come out with a 2k for under 2k scarlet with interchangable lens mounts.
 
The 7D won't kill Scarlet, but I think these DSLRs are in fact putting a damper on 35mm adapter sales. If you look at the number of people who visit the adapter forum in the last 6 months... it's a lot smaller than when I first started visiting this board (for that reason).
 
I also don't think the 7D is going to kill the scarlet. I do however, think that the 7D the now rumoured d700x, and the eventual super 35mm sized sensor dedicated video cameras that Canon is bound to release, are definitely going to put a SERIOUS damper on the sales of Scarlet. I also love how some border line school boy slander was posted by Jim on the RED site and was quickly removed when a few users pointed out the flaws in his logic. Don't get me wrong, I think RED is doing great things and Jim is definitely loyal to his customers, but the tables have turned.

And according to Nikon rumours. A photographer in Australia has seen the d700x and says it is going to put Nikon on top. Nikon rumours also claims he is a Canon user. Will the rumours be true? With the cat and mouse game Nikon and Canon play continue? Of course.

Hey did anybody hear anything about Scarlet's release date?
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Sorry.

Im tired.
 
Scarlet will cost a lot more than just the cam, you will more than likely have to upgrade your computer & get raid drives to edit the 3k footage. The guys over on the Red forum are saying it won't effect the sales because it's a cinema cam but I personally know 8 people who were going to buy a scarlet but now think the 7D footage will be good enough for them. With the bing / circut city promo rebate the 7D body was $1449.00, how much for a scarlet, new computer, raid drives etc? $7-$9k??? thats a couple 7D's, some nice glass, a nice shotgun mic and misc gear for an indie with $1-$2k left over.

The Scarlet better have one helluva image and price or thier sales won't be over 10k units with all the future vdslr's coming out but they might be ok with 10k units sold. I really think after we cross a point in 1-2 years Red will not have much of a future unless Jim J wants to continue to feed it out of his pocket and probably will for an ego thing because he loves cameras and the industry. I have been wondering what he is going to do with all these Red trade ins? He'll have to sell them for $7k to move them in large quantities. I do think he was very smart hedging the company with a future studio but NM with the 25% rebate might have been a better place (I would never want my actors or crew working in the worlds largest party town). If I were him I would deversify more by producing a couple $100M + feature films a year shot on all Reds, big names etc.

I'm going to get some crap for this post but didn't mean anything disrespectfull to anyone. Just my opinion and I'm on the fence now about getting a Scarlet.
 
There will still be a high demand. Think of RAW.
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Don't worry, RAW will be coming from the big guys on future VDSLRs. Its just not time for it yet but watch how they will match and surpass anything Red does with the Scarlet. Well, they already started and Scarlet isn't even out. Boy, it is gonna be bloody out there.
 
At this late hour, when I think of Red and Scarlet, I think of "There Will Be Blood". Canon has a very long straw and they're drinking Jim's milk shake. ....They drink his milk shake. They drink it up.
 
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At this late hour, when I think of Red and Scarlet, I think of "There Will Be Blood". Canon has a very long straw and they're drinking Jim's milk shake. ....They drink his milk shake. They drink it up.
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LOL. I've been a big proponent of RED since NAB 06 and have been "patiently" waiting to join their ranks, but the 7D does everything I NEED in a camera and I can now relax and shoot in a way that is easier than I currently do (HF100 to SGblade), in a quality that is better than I currently get, and just save up for an S35 Scarlet which probably is 12 months from releasing as it is.
 
I think I made the right move....I....hope...I made the right move. It just makes sense though. Canon is video, Canon is photo. Canon's done both for years and years. Nikon just doesnt have that video side. As much as I love the layout and picture of Nikon, I had to switch. I just hope this camera proves to be worth breaking that long long long loyalty!

I was about to pull the trigger Aug. 31st around midnight, and get a Handy35 and the new Panasonic SM400, then sure enough the announcement blasts across all forums....maybe a sign? hopefully...we find out in a month!
 
At this late hour, when I think of Red and Scarlet, I think of "There Will Be Blood". Canon has a very long straw and they're drinking Jim's milk shake. ....They drink his milk shake. They drink it up.
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Thanks for the laugh.
 
So are we mostly in agreement that at least of the people here who wanted to get a 2/3 sensor scarlet will be getting a DSLR namely the Canon 7D instead?

Realistically if Scarlet comes out in Early November and has an updated Super 35 brain for 4K instead of 7K. A package will still cost 7K.
Not bad at all for the quality you get but remember that in 6-8 months Canon will release a new 5D and nikon will enter the market, and panasonic, and maybe others. It just doesn't seem like a smart move to drop that kind of cash anymore. If there is uncompressed hdmi out I really will keep this cam forever.

Finally Finally Finally! I thought this cam would be here 2 years from now but double the price and with a worse codec. Happy Days. :)
 
Not myself. I plan on purchasing the 2/3" Scarlet and the s35mm scarlet.
I want the 2/3" because I have 16mm and S16mm lenses I can use with it.
If I can continue working for the next two months (always in danger of not getting enough work) I will also buy the 7D. I may just sell some camera gear to buy the 7D too.

If RED kills any Scarlet, I bet it will be the Fixed 2/3" with the built in lens - they have no experience in developping that kind of system and I bet in the end they'll realize its way more trouble than its worth to the market.

Nik Manning said:
So are we mostly in agreement that at least of the people here who wanted to get a 2/3 sensor scarlet will be getting a DSLR namely the Canon 7D instead?

Finally Finally Finally! I thought this cam would be here 2 years from now but double the price and with a worse codec. Happy Days. :)
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These DSLRs are cheap enough that i don't mind picking up one or two, or renting them every now and then. But I'm still set on getting one, if not a pair of S35 Scarlets the day they are available. I want a true digital cinema camera that can be configured into a DLSR form factor. I want raw data to push around in post. 3K, 4K, 5K... I can handle it, I welcome it, I demand it!
 
So if my math is correct that's 3 imaginary cameras sold allready just on this thread! Jannard better get on his hustle!
 
I would personally prefer the scarlett (on paper) because you get all the functionality of a Dedicated cinema system. Undercranking, over cranking, 60p+ speeds, 5k sensors, Robust RAW codec, MONITORING.....REAL MONITORING......., PL glass/Nikon/Canon/Anyhting you want really, Built like Tank.
7D is a GREAT second unit camera, or 1st unit on small (very small) productions. i would NEVER bring a VDSLR in their current forms on a paid shoot. If i cant show a client an image ...... i would never work again.

*And before anyone says anyhting about the monitoring issue, HDMI is not a connection use able for professional work.
 
Right. If your jobs pay enough, right now the lowest level ist Red 1 or the HPX 2000. Professional production companies won't go beneath these cams. But already in the EX1 and HPX170 segment - depending on the job - I would dare to show up with a 5D/7D. And a vast amount of people on this board works at that level, including me.
 
The thing is cinemas with digital projection are projecting @ 2k. if you can expose correctly with a Canon DSLR the codec holds up pretty well compared to raw so the only advantage I can see with a scarlet is if you want to underexpose. As for color space I'm pretty content with grading MKII footage as is. Am I missing something here?
 
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