Canon 70d Has Aliasing Moire

Ok...some thoughts here...
Moire looks about the same with the previous models...I was hoping for some improvement but Im not surprised it didnt happen...personally it doesnt bother me that much...
AF is just perfect...there is no point to talk about it or even test it anymore...its the best out there, even better than many camcorders have...
I was also hoping for some better low light performance...I think its better from the previous crop models...nowhere near the 6D or 5D3 though...
https://vimeo.com/73079871 that is 3200 ISO
https://vimeo.com/73083596 that is 6400 ISO
What do you guys think? To me it looks cleaner but I d like to hear some more opinions...
 
lyrov said:
Ok...some thoughts here...
Moire looks about the same with the previous models...I was hoping for some improvement but Im not surprised it didnt happen...personally it doesnt bother me that much...
What do you guys think? To me it looks cleaner but I d like to hear some more opinions...
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Moire, Aliasing is the worst problem our Canon cameras have, You can deal with manual focus, even noise in low light in post, Low light performance is similar to a T5i.
Moire is like a T4i, T3i, NO improvement, Personally why will I buy a camera that focuses fast on Moire , is Canon meaning that fast focus, is more important than a clean image.
They are playing with the low budget consumers, If you neeeed a body buy a T5i or if you can wait for a 7DII to see if the liked the idea of over stocking cameras like the 60D
that they are trying to sell for $ 500 and very few people want them. Aliasing and Moire is a pain, the only answer is Magic Lantern crop video, or mosaic engineering but both
have consequences. Lumix is doing better Nikon is doing better. Is Canon paying us to buy their Moire generator toy ?
 
I do hate the moire, but go to Planet 5D and watch his AF demonstration...it's pretty revolutionary to have such precise AF on a large sensor camera. It's not the ugly kind of AF that you normally see, it's extraordinary....like someone is pulling focus, but perfectly.
 
pulpfiction007 said:
I do hate the moire, but go to Planet 5D and watch his AF demonstration...it's pretty revolutionary to have such precise AF on a large sensor camera. It's not the ugly kind of AF that you normally see, it's extraordinary....like someone is pulling focus, but perfectly.
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The AF is really, really nice. If it had no aliasing/moire and had a CF slot so ML could make it record RAW, it could be the best camera in the market. But...
 
Samuel H said:
The AF is really, really nice. If it had no aliasing/moire and had a CF slot so ML could make it record RAW, it could be the best camera in the market. But...
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You know, given that the XA20 has slow mo at $2,199 and the 70D has DPAF at $1,200, I would hope the next version of the C300 would incorporate these features. That would be a killer cam. At the very least, the 5DIV is going to rock.
 
I wouldn't expect a 5D3 before 2015. The delivery guy will probably bring it in a flying car... :)

announcements:
5D: 22 aug 2005
5D2: 17 sep 2008 (that's nearly 3 years and 1 month later)
5D3: 2 mar 2012 (that's nearly 3 years and 6 months later)
so, maybe april 2015? And the only chance it come with everything we want from a camera and at a decent price too is if it is announce the first day of the month
 
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lyrov said:
Yes...they will put that AF in the 7DII...and no...it will not have that articulating screen...but guess what...it will have a headphone jack...and then we will all go nuts...:)
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Magic lantern will give you a headphone jack through AV for my 6D, but it would be nice to have a dedicated one.
 
Sheldon Charron said:
Magic lantern will give you a headphone jack through AV for my 6D, but it would be nice to have a dedicated one.
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How quickly do the Canon DSLRs usually take to get hacked? I don't need raw, but if I can monitor audio with headphones and levels on the 70D that'd be great.
 
If the firmware encoding doesn't change, I'd say it's just about a month after the first official firmware update is in the wild.

Also: dxomark numbers for the 70D are out. It's an improvement over the 18-mpix sensor, but not a four-year improvement. ISO performance is nearly up to par with the D5200/D7100, everything else lagging way behind. Not all bad news if you're a video shooter, since a stop cleaner ISO is always welcome (it's not even that much for stills but let's be optimistic, it could also be more for video) but DR would be capped by the camera's image processing in video mode anyway.
 
I finally decided to buy it...next week I ll have it in my hands...:)
I couldnt resist to that new AF and the better high ISO performance just sealed the deal...I feel its a good upgrade from the 60D...
It was only available as a kit with the 18-55 STM at B&H though...but now that I think about it, that kit could be really nice for steadycam work...
 
lyrov said:
I finally decided to buy it...next week I ll have it in my hands...:)
I couldnt resist to that new AF and the better high ISO performance just sealed the deal...I feel its a good upgrade from the 60D...
It was only available as a kit with the 18-55 STM at B&H though...but now that I think about it, that kit could be really nice for steadycam work...
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Mine came today. I wasn't excited at all about this when it was first announced but now I'm glad I upgraded. Sold my 60D body off so the upgrade cost was minimal. It's a pretty sick combination with the new Sigma 18-35 1.8 lens.

Favorite features so far:

- ALL-I compression AND no more 12-minute recording limit
- Tracking autofocus is quite good actually. I can see myself using this, especially with a Movi-type rig.
- Time code
- ISO performance increased as mentioned above

All in all, not a bad upgrade. Would've liked to have seen a bit more DR improvement and some help in the moire department for a 4-year upgrade but overall it's not a completely pointless upgrade. The autofocus is so much better than anything I've ever seen from Canon. It actually works and the touchscreen makes it easy. I am surprised to say that I can see several instances (racks for instance) where this will come in quite handy. No more re-racking to try and nail the perfect focus, and the speed is right on.
 
Care to supply some ungraded downloadable footage samples, possibly in Neutral and Faithful picture styles? I'm getting mine sometime this week, and I'm getting a bit antsy. :-)

traviswears said:
Mine came today. I wasn't excited at all about this when it was first announced but now I'm glad I upgraded. Sold my 60D body off so the upgrade cost was minimal. It's a pretty sick combination with the new Sigma 18-35 1.8 lens.

Favorite features so far:

- ALL-I compression AND no more 12-minute recording limit
- Tracking autofocus is quite good actually. I can see myself using this, especially with a Movi-type rig.
- Time code
- ISO performance increased as mentioned above

All in all, not a bad upgrade. Would've liked to have seen a bit more DR improvement and some help in the moire department for a 4-year upgrade but overall it's not a completely pointless upgrade. The autofocus is so much better than anything I've ever seen from Canon. It actually works and the touchscreen makes it easy. I am surprised to say that I can see several instances (racks for instance) where this will come in quite handy. No more re-racking to try and nail the perfect focus, and the speed is right on.
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What are the lenses for which autofocus works on the 70d?
Only the two STM Canon lenses?
 
traviswears said:
Any lens with AF I believe. I've been using it with the Sigma 18-35 1.8 and it works pretty darn well.
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I'm under the impression that the new phase detection AF system will only get the speed and and quiet operation necessary for decent AF during video with lenses that are designed for it. Or at least a USM or other silent operation lens, but I'm still not sure it will work as well.

On the GH1 and GH2, I tired some Olympus primes with video AF- yes, it technically WORKED, but not only were certain focus functions limited (face detection, etc), it was not smooth and extremely noisy. You could visibly see the AF system hunt and the camera body vibrate from the loud motor.
The same was true of the autofocus features in Magic Lantern back in the early days of Canon AF during video. The Tamron 17-50 F/2.8 has an AF motor designed for sudden spurts of quick focusing- when enabled in video mode, it would also make sudden movements which were very noticeable in your footage. This lens, as I would imagine most others like it, would make terrible autofocus for video.

I guess the real question is, what is your definition of AF "working"? If you intend to get smooth focus operations in video (with small quiet adjustments like a camcorder), you need a lens that is designed to work that way.
 
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