Camera rumors for 2016?
- Thread starter Giriki
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Thanks!
Still: Sony, Canon, Blackmagic, RED, Panasonic and the likes have now shown their cards. I'm not holding my breath for any new cinema cameras being announced in January.
Bassman2003
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Given the strength of the cameras coming, I do not see a lot for NAB either. With the URSA Mini being 4k RAW wih 15 sops of DR, I do not see the need for anything above that for many years. What will come instead with be version of the design, pricepoints and other companies catching up!
combatentropy
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Well, Red just announced the Raven. You really never know.
Besides NAB, there are IBC and CES, like others have said. But companies often announce things at none of these. For example, the Raven. Also Canon introduced the C300 in November 2011, at no particular industry event, just its own little impromptu party, giving us just a couple weeks' notice.
If you like to swim through the rumors, there are websites devoted to them. Google around, and you'll soon find a bunch of these sites. Subscribe to them with an RSS reader, and soon you'll have more rumors than you can shake a stick at. For a while I did but later unsubscribed. I found it too much air and not enough substance.
This is also why I don't recommend starting threads on DVXUser.com based on rumors. A general thread like this is kind of fun, but threads based on specific rumors like "There's a rumor that Sony's going to come out with such-and-such a camera" generate a lot of hope and talk, and at the end of the thread you don't really know any more than you started. I mean, it's destabilizing enough to wait on cameras that actually have been officially announced by a company, and rumors aren't even that.
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There's a major trade show every three months or so - PhotoKina, PhotoPlus, the NAB, the IBC, the CES, etc. On top of that, there are random announcements, largely denoting that the camera - or a series of cameras - is in beta and is likely to be shipped within half a year or so. BMD and Red will time theirs with the NAB. Canon and Sony often do not. In a 900-pound gorilla analogy ...
I'm still waiting on a 1" sensor Z200. It seems a sensible upgrade path from the Z100, but I doubt the Z100 is a big seller. It was exciting when it first came out - 4k! But that little sensor was a big downer.
The Z100 still has a very good codec.
A 3CMOS camera using full frame sensors? it would be a massive camera, with big overheating problems. There's no way anyone will build that.
Three 2/3" chips are the biggest you can fit into a usable camera design. I wonder if anyone will build a 4K 2/3" 3CMOS camcorder?
OK thanks, yes, I have not clue. But I always need maximum width, so 16mm on FF at least, often 12-14mm. Probably would need a booster then, but need my Nikon lenses with manual smooth stepless aperture controll too.
There is the Sony HDC-4300 with 3CMOS 2/3'' 4K sensor, but it's "a little" too big and too pricy...
There is the Sony HDC-4300 with 3CMOS 2/3'' 4K sensor, but it's "a little" too big and too pricy...
Already been done. I was talking to someone about the UKs first true 4K OB truck (up until now they've experimented with adapting an HD truck with Sony F55s as cameras) which is apparently equipped with exactly what you refer to. (Though I don't believe they have onboard recording, they're dedicated for OB use.) Not sure what they're called.
[EDIT - Posted that without seeing what A7s_user had already put on top of following page. Yes, assume they are HDC-4300's. http://www.sony.co.uk/pro/product/HDC-4300/ - wow!
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If rumors are true, Sony is prioritizing the A7 line. And it's hard to blame them for that either. Both 7RII and 7SII are sitting at the top of the charts and are likely to carry some very fat (60%-70%) margins. In other words, they're making more money per each 4K A7 series unit than the retail price of A7000 and they'll keep making this much until someone matches these two on specs, at the very least.
Samuel, I'm crossing my fingers that they DON'T include IBIS, given the severe overheating problems that the A7RII has been suffering from. It basically seems that 4k video on a large IBIS sensor without overheating is an engineering impossibility at this moment, since no one (to my knowledge) has been able to do it yet - at least not on a small camera body format.
Thanks, that's interesting - I had not heard that. I would still be pretty worried about an A6100 if it still uses a small body like the A6000. Perhaps an A7000 could be larger, but whatever they didn't do right for the A7RII they would have to resolve. In fact I believe I remember hearing some rumor that overheating was one of the reasons for the delay on the new camera.
IMO, if it's the processors, then they might as well wait a little until the 14-16 nanometer chips flood the market because not all fabs are currently producing them due to retooling. If A6100 is going to be in a very small body - and for under $600 - they'd need to take of the heat problem that is plaguing the oversampled 4K from A7RII.
Samuel H
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As DLD pointed, if the processor and the tiny body are the causes for the overheating in the a7R II, then the a7000 will overheat too, unless they update the processor. I doubt they'll do that, and the body can only be the same one, or smaller. IBIS or not, if it does 4K, it will probably overheat (as the RX100 IV does too, btw). My guess is that they're trying to make it record 4K internally for just a bit longer than it does (maybe it does 1 minute and they're aiming for 3 or 4).
(I call it a7000 because I want it to be more high-end than the a6000; I want an a7 II body with an APS-C sensor with clean 4K and slog3, for $1300)
It's awesome for us customers that the sub-10k market will look like a UFC ring this time next year, but it isn't that great for the companies themselves. But what are they supposed to do? Arri can price their products however they like because all the top cinematographers love them and they have been around for almost 100 years. They have history and their products are held as the golden standard in film making.
I'm not an experienced guy, but I see it like this: cinema camera companies now have two choices - try to slay the Arri Alexa and become the new top dog OR compete in the sub-10k (maybe 15-20k and under) market. I think everyone can agree that trying the former is futile, even Sony F65 failed miserably.
I'm not an experienced guy, but I see it like this: cinema camera companies now have two choices - try to slay the Arri Alexa and become the new top dog OR compete in the sub-10k (maybe 15-20k and under) market. I think everyone can agree that trying the former is futile, even Sony F65 failed miserably.