Camera rumors for 2016?

I am not Mitch (and I've never been employed by either the Convergent Design or Abel Cine) but my connections tell me that there may be a camera from an unnamed manufacturer at an undisclosed price point.
 
I am not Mitch (and I've never been employed by either the Convergent Design or Abel Cine) but my connections tell me that there may be a camera from an unnamed manufacturer at an undisclosed price point.

With an undisclosed delivery date?
 
Mitch - if you're in the loop - could you please refresh us (if possible) with one of your beloved subtle hints if we can expect any major camera announcements in September?

Like you did in the beginning of this year regarding a few?

(with no details of course)
I know of at least one announcement that had originally been planned for NAB'16 that is now planned for IBC'16. We'll see if that happens. I also know of what was originally planned to be two models of a camera design (different styles & features for different markets) that looks to now have been somewhat combined into one. That one may or may not be at IBC, but I think it likely. I know of another that looks pretty darn certain, and one last one that's a "your guess is as good as mine," meaning that this particular manufacturer has always been rather elusive in its communication -- at least weith me.

Of course, all of this could change. I can tell you that several years back there was a camera that did make it to announcement at a major show. The decision to announce came the DAY BEFORE, and someone had to hop on an international flight just to get the prototype to the convention hall in time. So yeah, these things are not always exactly set in stone.

OK, that should give y'all a bunch to chew on for a bit. :-)
 
Mitch - if you're in the loop - could you please refresh us (if possible) with one of your beloved subtle hints if we can expect any major camera announcements in September?

Like you did in the beginning of this year regarding a few?

(with no details of course)

It's a Canon Big Boy camera - AMIRA competitor
 
With an undisclosed delivery date?
There'll be an announced date of delivery; then an actual date of delivery (about a year later); then the firmware update delivery to eliminate any glitches present in the first series of deliveries (12-18 months later); then a V2 announcement 12-18 months later. Rinse and repeat.

PS. The bankruptcy notice announcements are expected in mid product cycle. Make your reservations early.
 
This is all interesting as I am thinking of buying a 4K camcorder coming off a Sony EX1r but want to buy a camera with technology that wont be immediately obsolete. I was very seriously considering the Sony FS7 for the money and picture quality...then Canon lowered their price on the C300mkII. Although it is 4 thousand over the FS7, it got me thinking of other models...and then I ran across the Sony F5 with a promo bundle that makes the cost cheaper than an FS7 (if you were to subtract the other items in the package). that camera at least has some upgrade options like the RAW recorder add-on and the option to swap out the CMOS sensor making it an F55.

So a question is why did Sony come out with this Promo Bundle? Is it headed for a new model, closeout, or just to compete with other cameras dropping prices?????
 
There'll be an announced date of delivery; then an actual date of delivery (about a year later); then the firmware update delivery to eliminate any glitches present in the first series of deliveries (12-18 months later); then a V2 announcement 12-18 months later. Rinse and repeat.

PS. The bankruptcy notice announcements are expected in mid product cycle. Make your reservations early.

Alright, that's it. This was the last time you get to test our prototype.
 
This is all interesting as I am thinking of buying a 4K camcorder coming off a Sony EX1r but want to buy a camera with technology that wont be immediately obsolete. I was very seriously considering the Sony FS7 for the money and picture quality...then Canon lowered their price on the C300mkII. Although it is 4 thousand over the FS7, it got me thinking of other models...and then I ran across the Sony F5 with a promo bundle that makes the cost cheaper than an FS7 (if you were to subtract the other items in the package). that camera at least has some upgrade options like the RAW recorder add-on and the option to swap out the CMOS sensor making it an F55.

So a question is why did Sony come out with this Promo Bundle? Is it headed for a new model, closeout, or just to compete with other cameras dropping prices?????

Yeah I reckon the FS7 was so extremely popular it was stealing a lot of the F5 thunder, thus they've brought down the price of the F5.

Apparently there is not going to be a new CineAlta camera in 2016?

Ah, correction, just promised there is no new CineAlta cameras at NAB this year:
http://www.studiodaily.com/2016/03/sony-promises-no-new-cinealta-production-camera-at-nab/
http://www.4kshooters.net/2016/04/0...nab-but-there-will-be-other-new-sony-cameras/

Soooo... that was of course true, as NAB has come and passed.

Got a good chunk of the year left, and somehow I wouldn't be too surprised if we see an F5, F55, or F65 replacement in 2016.

Or maybe even another FSx camera! You never know what surprise with Sony with the rapid release of their cameras, although their professional range doesn't come out quite the same crazy hectic pass that their consumer level cameras come out at.

I'm really surprised we haven't seen another NEX-VG series camera come out recently from Sony.
 
DLD, I hope you don't mind my outrageous crossposting. I just noticed your posts in the Digital Bolex topic and thought this might fit better here.



I don't think anyone will reveal any "cinema suited" cameras at Photokina. Maybe IBC, who knows. But it's already confirmed-ish that there won't be a new C100 to rival Blackmagic. And all those hybrid/stills cameras aren't exactly what I'm looking for. You have to rig them up, which is cumbersome, and all those accessories will take the cost to the level of more complete cameras. A6300 might be just 1000 dollars, but when you buy an external recorder and other stuff, the price might triple - and it still has all the quirks of "NOT cinema camera" like overheating, atrocious rolling shutter, sub par highlight roll off and what else.



I really don't think anyone will announce a camera to rival URSA Mini 4.6K in the next few months, apart from maybe Kinefinity and they are having issues with their Terra models. Certainly not Panasonic, Sony, Canon, Fuji or other big boys. RED have already shown their new line up for years to come. The "need to have BMD" will continue because they offer great value for filmmakers with shoelace budgets.

- Super 35 sensor
- 15 stops of dynamic range
- colors/motion/look that people would kill for
- all kinds of RAW
- ProRes XQ/4444/HQ/422/LT/Proxy in 4.6K, 4.6K 2.4:1, 4K 16:9, 4K DCI, Ultra HD, 3K Anamorphic, 2K 16:9, 2K DCI, HD
- DNxHR
- new upcoming OS that looks really good and is packed with features

The only real drawbacks are the magenta corners issue, the upside facing XLR inputs and the fact that you can't turn the camera off or change settings without opening the side monitor. Internal ND might be a drawback, depending on your POV.

Price? 5000 bucks for the body. About 8000 fully kitted. What about the cameras that URSA Mini 4.6K is competing with?

Panasonic Varicam LT 16 500 for the body
ARRI Alexa +70 000 for the body
Sony F65 65 000 for the body+VF
C300 MKII 12 000 for the body
RED Scarlet-W 10 000 for the body

Now, I'd love to be proven wrong, but there's no way there will be another camera like URSA Mini 4.6K this year for 5k or so.

Arguably a Sony FS5 with a Odyssey 7Q+ in raw is a close competitor, and similar ish in price.

FS5 has quite a lot of advantages over the BMD UM4.6K
 
That depends on GH5 and new 5D.
If Gh5 brings what it should (RAW, 15 stops DR, Image stabilisation, decent autofocus, excellant photo etc...), then URSAS and such will be obsolete! Which is exactly what big guys want to do to indies if they wanna keep their market (Red, BM, digital bolex, CION are class enemies of Sony, Canon, Panasonic...).


If not, new Canon 5D will take all the prize with little to no upgrades (4K, DR of 11 stops, shitty fixed screen; Magic Lantern will hack it so maybe RAW might happened in new 5D).
All in all, C300 will go down in price for sure (around 4-7K).
Its funny how people don't get a clue from 4K slash in pricing of C300...
You don't cut your price in 4000$ just like that overnight do you? What would happen if your income goes down 25% overnight, how would your life change?


Yet Canon can afford such move without a blink. How come? To me that clearly say that the real price of C300 II is in 3-4K range. (If BM can make profit with their pricing can you imagine how much is cheaper for canon to produce C300 then what they say it costs?)


The only reason C300 is not priced 3-4k is because there is no competitors! No DSLR that its threatning them. But once Canon 5D 4K is out, or Panasonic raw 4K, things will change. And you never know, maybe even Nikon puts out a hybrid photo/video camera that somebody would acctualy LIKE to use...
 
Or maybe even another FSx camera! You never know what surprise with Sony with the rapid release of their cameras, although their professional range doesn't come out quite the same crazy hectic pass that their consumer level cameras come out at.

I'm really surprised we haven't seen another NEX-VG series camera come out recently from Sony.

I don't think the VG series sold very well. Updated versions would make great b-cams. But I think most people would still get an A7 series camera as b-cam as they also double as still cameras.

I still expect to see a full frame FS series camera (maybe not this year but sooner rather than later). I'm pretty sure those would sell like hot cakes! (I know I'd want one)
 
http://www.canonwatch.com/canon-eos-c100-mark-ii-replacement-coming-with-4k-video-cw3/

I’ve been told (thanks) that the Canon EOS C100 Mark III is set to feature 4K video. The C100 Mark III is scheduled to be announced for or just before Photokina 2016 in September, and will come along with other new Canon Cinema EOS products.


The whole Canon Cinema line-up saw solid price drops in the last weeks (see here and here). This too suggests Canon may have some new stuff ready to get announced.
 
I would not hold any breath. And if new Canon C-series cameras do arrive they will be priced higher and under spec'd to what people want. It is the same cycle over and over every year. If a C100 MKIII is going to be out there then that does not bode well for the 5DMKIV having killer video. Sigh... It will all work out in the end.
 
If Canon comes out with a C100 MKIII I think this would be the earliest update of a cinema EOS camera ever. I also feel the MKII's didn't sell nearly as well as Canon expected but that is partially because Sony undercut them hard in all things video and hybrid stills in the last 2 years. I bought a FS7 instead of a C100 MKII and couldn't afford the C300 MKII. I wanted higher frame rates more than UHD and now have both.
 
If Canon comes out with a C100 MKIII I think this would be the earliest update of a cinema EOS camera ever. I also feel the MKII's didn't sell nearly as well as Canon expected but that is partially because Sony undercut them hard in all things video and hybrid stills in the last 2 years. I bought a FS7 instead of a C100 MKII and couldn't afford the C300 MKII. I wanted higher frame rates more than UHD and now have both.

C100 - August 2012
C100 MKII - October 2014
C100 MKIII - September 2016?

Seems about right to me. One of the guys in the know just said here on this forum that there won't be a C100MKIII anytime soon, but if it is released this year, I expect it to be overpriced and crippled as always.
 
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