C300: C70. When is this bad boy going to start shipping?

Eric Coughlin said:
I guess I'm leaning towards the Delkin cards.

I notice the top handle on the C70 feels rather brittle and unpleasant to the touch. I should still have a Rode Video Mic Pro laying around somewhere which I haven't used since my DSLR days. That may be a good fit for the camera to go straight on the hot shoe and perhaps a top handle isn't needed.
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I've been rocking that setup for handheld stuff. I also own the Rode Video Mic Pro.

The top handle and the charger are probably the two cheapest feeling / looking parts of the setup. Does anyone happen to know if the OG C100 or C200 top handle would fit?

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1340809-REG/canon_2421c001_hdu_2_handle_unit.html/?ap=y&ap=y&smp=y&smp=y&lsft=BI%3A514&gclid=Cj0KCQiA9P__BRC0ARIsAEZ6irhkn62d8UzTG7j_6eWy4TZ_mxQGEKOO5ZiX497jD32U_JDZFMPrHNQaAlTAEALw_wcB
 
Eric Coughlin said:
The only PL mount lenses I own are Arri Ultra Primes which are pretty lightweight at about 2.2 lbs each so they shouldn't need lens support. All of my Canon cinema lenses are EF mount, though according to Run&Gun I can remove the EF mount on my 17-120 and there's PL mount hidden in there or something, but I haven't tried it.

I don't think I know any C70 PL mount adapter owners. That's what DVXuser is for!

Yeah, SmallRig has a lot of things that Wooden Camera has at half or a third of the price and SmallRig's stuff is good. I just bought a C300 Mark III and accessorizing that and trying to decide between some Smallrig items and Wooden Camera items. $1600 for the C300 Mark III PL mount is going to hurt. That's even more money than Arri's PL mount.
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It's not hidden, the factory mount has to be replaced. I bought the Abel Cine/IBE Optics swappable mount system for the 17-120. They remove the factory mount and replace it with the IBE system that is a "base" PL mount. Then to change to different mounts(EF, FZ, Nikon, etc.) you simply remove the inner ring/portion of the PL mount(4 captive screws) and pop on the other mount. It secures with a 1/4-1/3 turn and it rock sold on the lens, being as it is essentially PL mount(back of the lens and front of the adapter). The nice thing about the AC/IBE system, it maintains all of the electronic contacts for PL(Arri LDS and i/data) and EF. It takes about 30 seconds to change. Even though I probably use my 17-120 as a PL lens about 90% of the time, the swappable mount system was worth every penny to be able to use it natively on my C300 and clients, as well. I've even rented it out in EF configuration to a friend with an Fs7/II, because he didn't have a PL adapter for the camera, only EF.
 
Now that I'll have PL-mounts for my C300 Mark III and C70, it may make sense to use the 17-120 with PL mount. But, since my other Canon cinema lenses are EF mount, it could be more of a hassle to change the camera mount in order to change lenses. Considering the 17-120 is generally recommended to have lens support regardless of the lens mount, I feel like there isn't necessarily an advantage to using PL mount. So it seems to just be a matter of using whatever mount you are most commonly using on the camera.

The RF mount setup seems kind of cool in that it looks really easy to change from EF to PL with adapters. I just worry about some adapters lacking rigidness.

I'm seeing Metabones has an RF to PL adapter as well which has five good reviews on B&H, the only adapter on there with good reviews. Though some of the reviews said it's not fully rigid without additional support, which sounds like a pain. Vocas, Kipon, and Fotodiox also have adapters as well as a few other companies. Vocas tends to make good gear.

The Metabones one says "Infinity Focus Maintained," while Wooden Camera has shims available to adjust flange distance. Does this mean the Metabones flange cannot be adjusted and that could cause issues? I don't have a good understanding of flange distance and shims.



Run&Gun said:
Even though I probably use my 17-120 as a PL lens about 90% of the time, the swappable mount system was worth every penny to be able to use it natively on my C300 and clients, as well.
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Wait a second, you mount the 17-120 natively on your clients? Which hole do you mount it to? I wouldn't trust clients with lenses because if they mount it to the wrong hole you'll end up with crappy footage.
 
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Eric Coughlin said:
Now that I'll have PL-mounts for my C300 Mark III and C70, it may make sense to use the 17-120 with PL mount. But, since my other Canon cinema lenses are EF mount, it could be more of a hassle to change the camera mount in order to change lenses. Considering the 17-120 is generally recommended to have lens support regardless of the lens mount, I feel like there isn't necessarily an advantage to using PL mount. So it seems to just be a matter of using whatever mount you are most commonly using on the camera.

The RF mount setup seems kind of cool in that it looks really easy to change from EF to PL with adapters. I just worry about some adapters lacking rigidness.

I'm seeing Metabones has an RF to PL adapter as well which has five good reviews on B&H, the only adapter on there with good reviews. Though some of the reviews said it's not fully rigid without additional support, which sounds like a pain. Vocas, Kipon, and Fotodiox also have adapters as well as a few other companies. Vocas tends to make good gear.

The Metabones one says "Infinity Focus Maintained," while Wooden Camera has shims available to adjust flange distance. Does this mean the Metabones flange cannot be adjusted and that could cause issues? I don't have a good understanding of flange distance and shims.




Wait a second, you mount the 17-120 natively on your clients? Which hole do you mount it to? I wouldn't trust clients with lenses because if they mount it to the wrong hole you'll end up with crappy footage.
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I still feel there is an advantage to PL with that lens, even though I support it in PL and EF. It's such a pain to mount it to my 300, which is just the standard EF(non-locking mount), because I have to completely support it with one hand while securing it(adding second iris rod[can't clear the rod on the grip side of the lens when attaching], clamping it down, adding lens support then screwing the support foot into the lens and then securing all of it), because it "flexes" the mount otherwise. When it's PL, it just slide straight into the mount, like a B4 lens, and it's strong/solid enough I feel safe in nut fully supporting the lens for the few moments it takes to secure the lens support to it.

Well, if they like Mapplethorp...

And if they've had a colonoscopy in the last 24 hours, you can usually avoid the crappy footage.
 
Does anyone know if the C70 or C300 Mark III have mic power output through the 1/8" port? The C300 Mark II doesn't have that so I'm guessing they don't.

What is a good mic to plug into that port for an on-camera mic? I like to leave my XLRs free for other tasks. I've been using the Audio Technica AT897 plugged into my C300 Mark II 1/8" port which I like because it has 1600 hours of battery life on a single AA battery, there is no on/off switch so the mic seems to magically turn itself on when the camera is using it and then turn itself off when the camera is not using it, which is great, because it means using the mic is very little hassle in day to day shooting as I just need to replace the battery once every few months and I never have to worry about having forgotten to turn it on.

A lot of mics you have to turn on and off like the Rode Videomic Pro I have, and the battery life tends to be closer to 50 hours. The only real downside of the Audio Technica is that it is rather long, so if I could find a shorter option with a long battery life that automatically turns itself on and off, that would be ideal.
 
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Eric Coughlin said:
Does anyone know if the C70 or C300 Mark III have mic power output through the 1/8" port? The C300 Mark II doesn't have that so I'm guessing they don't.

What is a good mic to plug into that port for an on-camera mic? I like to leave my XLRs free for other tasks. I've been using the Audio Technica AT897 plugged into my C300 Mark II 1/8" port which I like because it has 1600 hours of battery life on a single AA battery, there is no on/off switch so the mic seems to magically turn itself on when the camera is using it and then turn itself off when the camera is not using it, which is great, because it means using the mic is very little hassle in day to day shooting as I just need to replace the battery once every few months and I never have to worry about having forgotten to turn it on.

A lot of mics you have to turn on and off like the Rode Videomic Pro I have, and the battery life tends to be closer to 50 hours. The only real downside of the Audio Technica is that it is rather long, so if I could find a shorter option with a long battery life that automatically turns itself on and off, that would be ideal.
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If you need phantom power by a battery all these lenses will be long.
You might have look at the ME66/K6 combo. It's long too but it has a very high sensitivity.
I bought a second one recently used for 250€
 
ME66/K6 was the first boom mic I bought about 20 years ago. It would be RIDICULOUSLY long to put on a small camera like a C300 or even smaller camera like a C70.
 
Run&Gun said:
ME66/K6 was the first boom mic I bought about 20 years ago. It would be RIDICULOUSLY long to put on a small camera like a C300 or even smaller camera like a C70.
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Not to mention it's a really, really bad sounding microphone. I have the ME64, 66 and 67 and when I pull the kit out and try it through my Sound Devices Recorder,
they sound terrible, even compared to much cheaper modern mics like my AT-875r. Nobody should be using this mic in 2021, it's old tech and has not aged well, unlike the 416.
 
puredrifting said:
Not to mention it's a really, really bad sounding microphone. I have the ME64, 66 and 67 and when I pull the kit out and try it through my Sound Devices Recorder,
they sound terrible, even compared to much cheaper modern mics like my AT-875r. Nobody should be using this mic in 2021, it's old tech and has not aged well, unlike the 416.
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Really? I need to see a otologist (seriously). I have that for 10yrs and I liked it due to the high sensitivity. But I’m just a hobbyist... :)
 
It was kind of a standard entry to mid-level, low-priced shotgun in the mid-to-late 90's through the early 00's. It was pretty good bang-for-the-buck back then. We did dozens, if not 100's of interviews that ran on network TV with them.

Although it is rare to see something other than a Sanken or Schoeps on the end of a boom today, I still have mine in one of my cases, "just in case". Does it sound as good as one of those? No. But if something crazy happened and I couldn't use my Sanken or Schoeps, it sounds better than silence.
 
Clermond said:
Really? I need to see a otologist (seriously). I have that for 10yrs and I liked it due to the high sensitivity. But I’m just a hobbyist... :)
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Maybe my K6 pre-amp is going bad because to my ears, I expected it to sound okay and hooked it up and my face made that sour lemon look, like "Oof, that sounds horrible, honky mids, tinny highs". I too shot a
ton of stuff with it in the 90s and early 2000s, and I never remembered them sounding that bad, they didn't sound as good as the MKH-416 but I never remember bad, but maybe that was because my ears weren't
as educated back then? Or maybe mine is actually going bad, possible, it is old. I'll never get mine looked at because why? I have lots of other mics that sound great so not much reason to.
 
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Can't you power a mic from the 3.5mm terminal? From the manual:

"Plug-in Power (MIC Terminal)
You can supply plug-in power to an external microphone connected to the MIC terminal.
Select > [¡ Audio Setup] > [MIC Power] > [On].
• Connecting an external microphone that does not require power supply when [MIC Power] is set to [On], may
damage the microphone."

The MIC terminal is previously identified as the 3.5mm terminal

So you could get something as short as this: https://www.newsshooter.com/2020/09...acompact-camera-mount-directional-microphone/
 
That’s what I’d asked earlier, if the C70 has mic power out of the 1/8” port. It looks like you’re saying it does? That is from the C70 manual? Do you know if the C300 Mark III has it as well? I know my C300 Mark IIs do not have mic power out of the 1/8” port.
 
Eric Coughlin said:
That’s what I’d asked earlier, if the C70 has mic power out of the 1/8” port. It looks like you’re saying it does? That is from the C70 manual? Do you know if the C300 Mark III has it as well? I know my C300 Mark IIs do not have mic power out of the 1/8” port.
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Sorry amigo that was from the C300III manual, I got confused and thought you were asking about that camera

Update: the C70 has plug-in power for the 3.5mm terminal as well:

"Selecting the Input Type for the MIC Terminal
Change the setting according to the audio device connected to the MIC terminal.
1 Select > [¡ Audio Setup] > [MIC Input]
2 Select [MIC (with Power Supply)], [MIC], or [LINE]
• Select [MIC (with Power Supply)] to supply plug-in power to the external microphone.
IMPORTANT
• Connecting an external microphone that does not require power supply when [MIC Input] is set to [MIC (with
Power Supply)], may damage the microphone."
 
Took the plunge and ordered the C70 today! Will report back when I've received it and have put it through its paces. If it works as well as I hope, I'll get another one to replace my two aging C100 Mk 1 cameras.
 
Yeah, I found the mic power option on the C70. Can't find it in the menu on the C300 Mark III, but it is giving mic power, so maybe it's automatic or I just haven't found the menu option since it's not in the same menu location as the C70.

The joystick on the C70 is a bit finicky; when I press it in to select something it often goes up or down or left or right instead of pressing inward.
 
Eric Coughlin said:
The joystick on the C70 is a bit finicky; when I press it in to select something it often goes up or down or left or right instead of pressing inward.
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I either got used to mine, or I broke it in. The C300 joystick is way better, but after a few weeks the C70 feels normal.
 
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