indiawilds
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Can someone estimate the total cost of rigging a FS7 (minimum setup for 4k).
C300: C300 mkII rumours are getting serious
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The original C100 - without the dual-pixel auto focus - is going for $4,000 now, or exactly 50% off its original listing price. 1D C is now $8,000 instead of its introductory price of $15,000 or 47% off. C500 is $16,000, off 46% off its original $30,000. C300 held a little better at $11,500 - off $8,500 off its original $20,000 MSRP or ~ 43% - than other models but then it was the most popular Canon cinema line product anyway.
IMO, prices are collapsing a lot faster than many folks here admit.
It's ready to shoot - all you need is some glass and a XQD card.
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indiawilds
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I was under the impression that FS7 can only shoot 4K externally (4096x2160) using some sony extra recorders. May be I got confused. Will have to check the specs again.
FrameFarmMedia
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The FS7 currently does UHD 24-60fps HD 24-180fps internal. The next firmware coming end of Feb unlocks DCI 4K internal recording. If you want RAW you need the extension pack and a recorder like the O7Q. All I have added to my FS7 is a shoulder baseplate for rails and cheese top plate.
ReelWorksMedia
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I believe, currently the FS7 can only do UHD 8 bit internal. Would love Canon to implement (4096x2160) 10 bit and do this right.
Actually the FS7 does both 4k 8-bit and 10 bit internal.
FrameFarmMedia
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UHD/4K up to 60fps and HD up to 180fps internal XAVC-intra 422 10bit recording.
I'm curious on the C300II what codecs they go for because as far as I know Canon isn't developing their own. With the cost of Cfast 2 cards (I'm assuming based on data rates) I hope they put a fairly efficient codec in there.
ReelWorksMedia
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Cool, I stand corrected. Sorry for the misinformation. I read that somewhere on this forum.
I am pretty sure - but I can't find the bleeping link right now - they signed onto a HEVC coalition (which pretty much everyone who's anyone has signed onto, including Apple as well) as one of the early leaders.
Ah! Found it. From May, 2014
http://www.redsharknews.com/technol...265-hevc-will-make-colour-richer-and-smoother
FrameFarmMedia
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Makes sense if they parade the C300II out with a brand new codec. Should be interesting.
Jon Roemer
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$20,000 was in the original PR release that I found last night on Forbes. IIRC, it was made in December, 2011.
It may have been priced at $16,000 once it reached the store shelves at a later date.
Jon Roemer
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But it never sold for $20,000. The prices were and are fixed for all dealers.
So, if you are looking at how much value a camera has retained or lost it would make sense to base it on the price it was sold for from day 1 compared to the price now.
Similar to your take on the C300, the 1DC never sold for $15,000, it was $12,000 when it came out.
So, what you have for the C300 and the 1DC are reductions of 28% and 33% respectively.
The C100 Mark I is $4000 now (w/out dual pixel AF) and when it originally came out it was $6500, not $8000. It has lost 38% but it has been replaced by another model, the mark II.
Just sayin'... money people paid then vs now, not inflated numbers that have no bearing on what the items actually cost.
So, if you are looking at how much value a camera has retained or lost it would make sense to base it on the price it was sold for from day 1 compared to the price now.
Similar to your take on the C300, the 1DC never sold for $15,000, it was $12,000 when it came out.
So, what you have for the C300 and the 1DC are reductions of 28% and 33% respectively.
The C100 Mark I is $4000 now (w/out dual pixel AF) and when it originally came out it was $6500, not $8000. It has lost 38% but it has been replaced by another model, the mark II.
Just sayin'... money people paid then vs now, not inflated numbers that have no bearing on what the items actually cost.
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indiawilds
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The C300 was unveiled in Hollywood and it was suggested that the price is 20K USD. Then a few days later the price of $16,000 usd was announced when the camera was ready to ship. Similarly for C500 30k USD price was suggested on the day of announcement but the firm price of $26,000 usd was announced when it got ready for shipping.
The first price reduction (actually it was a rebate) was 2k so it was sold at 14k after nearly a year.
The first price reduction (actually it was a rebate) was 2k so it was sold at 14k after nearly a year.
Lots of interesting tidbits here!
4K standard is 10bit minimum, so anything less than that and footage won't pass QC for 4K deliverables. (It will still pass for HD deliverables.)
HDR is 12bit LOG minimum and 14+ stops of DR preferred for 12bit transmission. AFAIK, there isn't an exact standard for HDR yet, this is just info I gained from talking with providers of this technology, so take that info for what it is. Netflix starts streaming 4K HDR sometime this year, I believe I read over the summer. Other studios have said they will follow.
When I bought my C300 I was not happy that the memory card technology chosen had no upgrade path (CF UDMA7). CFast 2.0 is also (AFAIK) at it’s last generation with no upgrade path. I seriously hope Canon picks a memory card technology that is upgradeable enough for it to gain widespread adoption and allow us to invest in it with confidence.
4K standard is 10bit minimum, so anything less than that and footage won't pass QC for 4K deliverables. (It will still pass for HD deliverables.)
HDR is 12bit LOG minimum and 14+ stops of DR preferred for 12bit transmission. AFAIK, there isn't an exact standard for HDR yet, this is just info I gained from talking with providers of this technology, so take that info for what it is. Netflix starts streaming 4K HDR sometime this year, I believe I read over the summer. Other studios have said they will follow.
When I bought my C300 I was not happy that the memory card technology chosen had no upgrade path (CF UDMA7). CFast 2.0 is also (AFAIK) at it’s last generation with no upgrade path. I seriously hope Canon picks a memory card technology that is upgradeable enough for it to gain widespread adoption and allow us to invest in it with confidence.
While I am not holding my breath for this feature:
Seeing as how our camera's have evolved to a point where data/storage rates are becoming similar to our notebooks/workstations, I see no reason why all of today's pro level mid-large size cameras are not shooting to SSD's. They are reliable, robust and offer plenty of options in terms of size, write speeds, features and expansion.
They have become a staple in both post houses and broadcast and are extremely versatile. If companies like black magic, atomos, convergent design and others are shooting to them, there is no reason most of these professional cameras cannot develop and integrate a more polished system.
RED seems to have gone this route from the beginning and I applaud their pioneering attitude, but their price point for recording media is absurd.
Matt Gottshalk
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It isn't absurd if you lose a critical take on a paid gig.
Matt Turner
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A small form factor SSD would be awesome, right across the board - Cameras, PCs, Recorders, backwards compatible with a 2.5/3.5" caddy, capacities up to 1Tb.
It's so useful and obvious that it will never happen.