mraaron895
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Canon stated that they can't do higher frame rates at the quality they want with their new internal codec. But they can do higher frames rates with less superior codecs like the 1DXII
C300: C300 Mk III Coming Soon
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FrameFarmMedia
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You don't think C500II will offer 4K60p internal XFAVC?
Pascal Parvex
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The C300 line is not the flagship camera of Canon, the C500 is. You can even shoot 120 fps with the latter if you are okay to lose some resolution at 4K due to interpolation of half of the lines.
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mraaron895
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Just going off what was said about the C300MK II. I'm sure the C500II will have HFR options, why wouldn't it? Whether that signal comes externally or internally is unknown.
By the model number and certain specs (hfr) yes, but I wouldn't call it a flagship. It's like Sony with F65, best camera they have but it's in own niche, F5/55 is more of a Sony flagship. But wel... the problem is what we mean by "flagship"
The thing with the electronics is that Canon can easily put together a C500MKII, with a 1D XII sensor, full frame 17.6 MPX 4:2:2 oversampled 4K with a top notch low light performance and a decent CLog/ codec for just about the same price as C300MKII. Naturally, they'll move toward the double-the-price-per-model concept and release it at ~ $30,000. Technically, it'd suffice for a big screen feature.By the model number and certain specs (hfr) yes, but I wouldn't call it a flagship... the problem is what we mean by "flagship"
Canon Talks the Arrival of 8K at NAB 2016
http://nabhub.com/interview/121/canon-talks-the-arrival-of-8k-at-nab-2016
I wish that the C100 mk III would have RAW 1080p/2K.
http://nabhub.com/interview/121/canon-talks-the-arrival-of-8k-at-nab-2016
I wish that the C100 mk III would have RAW 1080p/2K.
Matt Turner
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If it has the C300 MKIIs 2K 12 bit 444 internal and no 4K I'd very seriously consider it.
If it has 2K 10 bit 444 internal and decent 4K I'm definitely in.
And if it's not announced at NAB... well, let's just say I've been waiting too long already.
Matt Turner
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"... we will also be showing working 8K cameras and 8K displays that look into the future of production ..."
"... 8K is becoming a reality all though it is not here yet ..."
Implies no 8K C500 MKII for sale any time soon, but they will have a tech demo.
They had a working 8K camera at the CES'16 in January. Their 8K display was four 4K projectors, each with a quarter of the screen (there's some overlap with the seamless blending due to brightness/light dissipation).
In any case, it'd be odd to see them abandon the C500 model, unless they make C500 as the 8K flagship.
Rayden
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That was the line that sparked my interest the most. I'm really looking for a HFR firmware update.
When you look at the image processing pipeline in Canon's white paper, there doesn't seem to be any reason why this camera couldn't to 4k/60p, as the 2k/60p processing is all done at 4k with a final downres to 2k. So the issue must be in the compression/recording side, and this means, most likely, that canon either didn't like the quality loss at the maximum write speed for cfast (that some of the other players seem fine with), or that they were saving a feature bump to extend the life of the camera. The fact that Convergent Design originally said they would be able to take in 4k/60p off this camera, means they were told that it was possible by someone at Canon, although that statement was quickly retracted. All of this hints at a strong maybe for a 4k/60 feature bump happening at some point, although not necessarily next month. With Atomos showing it's hand yesterday, it's time for CD to tell us their next extension of the 7Q capablilities
-), so maybe that will be it.As for improvements in 120p, I'd say that's not in the cards for this camera. It's not in the original processing scheme, and so it's not something that could likely be implemented in firmware.
C300 firmware upgrade, maybe.. C100, not happening.
Regardless of it all, I still can't help but chuckle over the fact that its 2016 and dropping $16k on a camera body doesn't get you 60p. Now on its own legs there is room for debate, but when one steps back and examines the landscape of things, it clearly is not. As far as 120p, rather than a chuckle that's more of a blatant laugh out loud.
Although seeing 4k/60p in the 1dxii turned a lot of heads and could be a sign that the sleeping giant is finally beginning to awake.
Plexi Head
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I dropped money on this camera and use it every day. Consistency, reliability, incredible image - graded or ungraded. I would be lucky to use the slow motion feature once a month and it does a decent job when I do. The C300MKII has many, many unique features and I am left wondering why all the hate for this camera? I chuckle when people constantly try and compare it to the FS7 - not in the same ballpark.
Image is the key, in the end, isn't it. Canon does a lot of things right, just never soon enough for some people.
Perhaps you are confused, but nowhere in my previous post did I insinuate hate, dislike for the image quality OR compare the mkii to the fs7. I actually find the image of the mk II to be one of the most beautiful & organic on the market. However, I think we would all agree that if the DP does his job correctly, beautiful images can be had with any camera.
I suppose I should have pre-faced my statement with consideration to my particular work. Out of the 3 dozen commercial jobs we acquired last year, not a single one was without some form of high speed(even in my personal stuff there is usually a shot or two). With regards to commercial sports and fashion, it is not optional but mandatory.
In fact, high speed appears to be showing up on project briefs more and more these days(especially 4k). If its not on the brief, its usually one of the first things to come out of the Director/Producer's mouth. So while I'm ecstatic that you are happy with your purchase, many of us will continue to chuckle at the fact that this camera still retails for $16k+ and shoots highspeed quality that is no better than a consumer level dslr.
I do not own or regularly operate an fs7 but chuckling at comparing them seems a bit naive. Over the last 12 months I have seen those things EVERYWHERE. From mid range commercial work(old c300's bread'n butter) to single op broadcast and indie projects, there is no denying the popularity or dominance that camera currently has over the market.
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