C200 Mark II When?

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It's been over 4 years since the C200 has been announced. How far off are we from a C200 Mark II? Looking forward to internal 10bit 4:2:2 this time around.
 
It's unclear what they are doing with future RF cinema cameras.

EF is done, and only the C70 exists, and they might enter a new naming convention.

Besides having CRL, the C70 is pretty much a C200 with 10-bit.
 
The NAB is in October, so some rumors should start trickling out shortly. The assumption is for several high end Canon 8K cameras in the $10,000-$25,000 range and a heat resistant R5c (with "c" standing for cinema). C70 is likely to be their low end in this style body, with everything below being the consumer friendly R-style.

C200, as a model, is probably dead. The DSLR is dead. The EF is dead.
 
The C200 was built with specs the C300ii didn't have: 4K60p and CRAW without 4K 10bit 422
Now that Canon didn't cripple the C300iii and offers a C70 with less features at a lower price I don't see a gap for C200ii in the product line. Neither with specs nor with a price tag. A RF cinema like could be more likely.
 
You never know. I'm holding out hope for a C70 with an EVF. Or a C70 in a C100/C200 body. That could be a C200 mkII.
 
There's a relationship between engineering and parts and a model's name in a product system, so a C200 Mark II is possible but it would likely stay with an EF-mount and that's not so possible as far as a general product roadmap.

As far as the semantics, anything new with a RF mount could exactly be a C200 Mark II, but it would be called something different for new marketability and product separation.
 
NorBro said:
There's a relationship between engineering and parts and a model's name in a product system, so a C200 Mark II is possible but it would likely stay with an EF-mount and that's not so possible as far as a general product roadmap.

As far as the semantics, anything new with a RF mount could exactly be a C200 Mark II, but it would be called something different for new marketability and product separation.
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Predictions for how they'll name the next cinema cameras? Keep the C-series name with a C600/C800/C900/C1000?

If R stands for "Reimagine optical excellence", what about "Cinema Reimagined", which gives us CRxxx. To be exact, I'm thinking CR500 or CR800.

Everyone get your guesses in now. The winner gets to imagine owning the cameras.
 
Maybe drop the C and just call them R500 and R800 to go along with R5 and R6 (and R1) although C70 really throws a wrench.

If it was C50 then at least there could be a C70 and a C90. Each level is better. --> --> -->
 
NorBro said:
Maybe drop the C and just call them R500 and R800 to go along with R5 and R6 (and R1) although C70 really throws a wrench.

If it was C50 then at least there could be a C70 and a C90. Each level is better. --> --> -->
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I just can't see them losing the word Cinema. I can't see them going past 1000 either.

I like the double digits for the smaller cameras. C50-90 with roman numerals will take care of that for a decade or so.
 
The pre-NAB jostling has commenced. BMD 12K price drop. Red 8K 120 fps teaser (full announcement September, 1) After a quiet year or so, the industry is waking up bit by bit.
 
Seems an unlikely camera to me. The C70 covers the bases most C200 users wanted covered, and the C300III gives all the extra bits people would pay for if they wanted them.
 
The "other side" of the market - on September, 2 Fuji is supposed to announce two new cameras : a medium format 50 MPX GFX50SII (expected to be priced at $4,000) and an 26 MPX APS-C XT-30 MKII (MKI is currently selling for $800).
 
the c70 is an oddball as it is s35 and there are no rf s35 lenses (a 17-xx zoom) . Canon need an RF full frame vid camera to get videographers to choose rf glass.

the c500 and c300iii are then left in the dark.

none of this adds up to the cameras being a good long term investment.

(apart from a used c200 like mine!)

best to sit it out or get a ff rf vid cam when it comes.
 
morgan_moore said:
the c70 is an oddball as it is s35 and there are no rf s35 lenses (a 17-xx zoom) . Canon need an RF full frame vid camera to get videographers to choose rf glass.

the c500 and c300iii are then left in the dark.

none of this adds up to the cameras being a good long term investment.

(apart from a used c200 like mine!)

best to sit it out or get a ff rf vid cam when it comes.
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The only point in investing in any camera system is if it fulfils your needs, be them commercial, artistic or technical.

None of my clients particularly care what camera I use. Why should they, they're all good enough, no? All the moaning about the R5 is a case in point. I regularly use it as a B-cam to my C500MKII. It looks great, the colours match perfectly and it enables me to capture shots I can't easily get with my C500MKII.

I have no problem with Canon introducing new RF mount cine cameras, I enjoy using what I have and nearly all my lenses are EF. Some higher frame rates in the C500MKII, time-lapse and better af would be my only wants in a new 'A' camera.
 
Liam Hall said:
The only point in investing in any camera system is if it fulfils your needs, be them commercial, artistic or technical.

None of my clients particularly care what camera I use. Why should they, they're all good enough, no? All the moaning about the R5 is a case in point. I regularly use it as a B-cam to my C500MKII. It looks great, the colours match perfectly and it enables me to capture shots I can't easily get with my C500MKII.

I have no problem with Canon introducing new RF mount cine cameras, I enjoy using what I have and nearly all my lenses are EF. Some higher frame rates in the C500MKII, time-lapse and better af would be my only wants in a new 'A' camera.
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I was thinking the same about EF lenses until I tested the RF 24-70/2.8
I have a new favorite lens now.
 
DLD said:
The "other side" of the market - on September, 2 Fuji is supposed to announce two new cameras : a medium format 50 MPX GFX50SII (expected to be priced at $4,000) and an 26 MPX APS-C XT-30 MKII (MKI is currently selling for $800).
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The II was announced as you mentioned and it's the first camera - if the specifications I am reading are correct - to not include any 4K video mode out of over 100 cameras in the last 6 years.

Not even a cropped or pixel-binned or line-skipped measly 8-bit 4:2:0. (And they have $500 models that offer that.)

Unbelievable cartel work at its finest...$4K for medium format without the 4K.
 
NorBro said:
The II was announced as you mentioned and it's the first camera - if the specifications I am reading are correct - to not include any 4K video mode out of over 100 cameras in the last 6 years.

Not even a cropped or pixel-binned or line-skipped measly 8-bit 4:2:0. (And they have $500 models that offer that.)

Unbelievable cartel work at its finest...$4K for medium format without the 4K.
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XT-30 MKII has 4K (in what looks to be 8-bit internal and 10-bit external) for $900. GFX50SII has only 1080. In which case, that is probably unusable anyway because it has to bin/skip so much info.

And, of course, A7RIV has higher res for less. And GFX100S has 102 MPX for two grand more.

In terms of the market positioning, XT-30 MKII has a bit of a pull-down for the full frame cameras. GFS50SII is a table setter for Fuji's medium format line, kind of an entry level model that is likely to get more affordable after 12-18 months on the shelf.
 
Clermond said:
I was thinking the same about EF lenses until I tested the RF 24-70/2.8
I have a new favorite lens now.
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I think the price difference between the EF and RF version is completely fair:

- if you can take advantage of the control ring
- I see the minimum focus with the RF version is 21cm vs. 38cm on the EF - that's a pretty big reduction and not really a value add I've thought of before.
- no adapter
- other than autofocus differences and what I listed, are there any other reasons you like it so much?

I personally don't see myself going down the RF path anytime soon. Who knows if I'll eventually give in!
 
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