The new firmware does include manual audio control. No 50/60p though. I still prefer it's image quality as a full frame sensor to the 7D and I like using the large number of lenses that I have at their proper focal lengths. A wide angle is indeed wide on a 5D. I would buy a 550T2i / 7D / GH1 instead of a series of longer focal length lenses today though.
But this actually is the beginning of the end, right?
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The new firmware does include manual audio control. No 50/60p though. I still prefer it's image quality as a full frame sensor to the 7D and I like using the large number of lenses that I have at their proper focal lengths. A wide angle is indeed wide on a 5D. I would buy a 550T2i / 7D / GH1 instead of a series of longer focal length lenses today though.
lordybob
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Jello. Exposure. Focus.
All three tricky to handle with the cam. But its a good music video. Kudos
ROCKMORE
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That's good news about manual audio because now it's become standard on 5Ds.
I agree 100% about the FF image quality, the APS-C doesn't have the equal level of quality, (some will disagree) but the 550D came out, and for the price it can't be beat for the moment.
The next 5D should be a freak'in amazing camera 50p/60p or not. If it doesn't have it I'll just keep the 550D. I'm getting a lot of shooting out of the 550D already as a B-cam with a EX-3 and the primary camera. Great for car interiors where space is a issue.
The FF 5D is the really amazing image. I just didn't want to jump while the firmware was unknown. Looking to adding one in Oct 2010. Hope it's out by then or sooner.
CS5 is the other variable I really need to keep the H-264 workflow up to speed with the EX3.
Editing native EX3 files on an i7 with CS4 is like butter.
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Barry_Green
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The fix is to use a pro camera; the forthcoming AF100 will almost unquestionably use the metadata feature, so you can program in a custom user clip name for every clip, so it'll show up in your NLE as "Scene 1 Take 4" instead of "CLIP00001.MTS". Plus, in the AVCCAM metadata there's an encoded global clip ID which is guaranteed to always be unique, so reconnecting clips is no issue whatsoever (assuming your chosen NLE takes advantage of these features, of course).
Allen Ellis
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Oh, nice - does the HMC150 also encode a global clip ID? I've been looking for something like that for a while.
Barry_Green
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Yes it does.
ROCKMORE
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Emanuel
I second the motion.
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It's a scary bug, I was shooting a short film last week a day after I got the firmware and had no time to test the audio until I was on location. I did a quick recording and played it back on my macbook and no sound. Luckily we had an EX1 on hand so it made for a very expensive field recorder. If somebody unaware of the bug trusts the metering they could lose a whole days worth of sound.
This is one reason I prefer to wait for the next 5D
Ben_B
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This will be nice. I did not realize the HMC-150 had this feature, but then again I've only shot a couple of small projects on it.
Impressive! I have watched labels dish out over 20k for a video that was not shot, directed and edited as good as this one. And you did it with a camera that cost under 2k? You are WAY ahead of the game. Depending on when you purchased your camera, and how many vids you have done for 1-2k a pop, you have already made a return on your investment. Your profit ratio is that of a Major just at a smaller level. The joke is on everyone else, not you. You are a business - man (get it - LOL)
Keep doing your thing with what you have. Master that camera and your craft. You have real potential and a great eye. No one could tell you did that vid with a 5D. And if this is going to be your profession and not just a hobby, one day, you will spend more that 6K on a camera and you will justify it! I would love to see what you could do with a professional camera.
Great job!!!
Chamber005
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lol
Not to high-jack, but that video was pretty kicken chicken. Light years better than what I see most people do on the indie music video scene.
Michael Carter
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Wow, this thread got lonnnnnngggg…
DSLR vs. video-specific camera? All I know is my "what I want" list:
The most pristine compression possible with reasonable file sizes/workflow & suitable for keying when needed;
Beautiful color, especially highlight rendering;
Full control over DOF (one of the first posts in this thread was essentially "shallow DOF is juts to make bad shots look good" which is utter crap - as a still shooter, I make DOF decisions every day based on the feel I want to achieve);
Little or no jello (hey, things like whip pans and the sort of "shake to find your shot" aren't necessary in every project, but they ARE important parts of the visual vocabulary and as such are useful shorthand that make emotional points… I don't want those shots to wobble like gelatin);
Burst frame rates up to 100-120 seconds or so for true slow mo;
Selectable SD, 720 & 1080;
Professional XLR inputs, phantom power and metering with no ALC (or at least give me the that last three and a breakout XLR box);
HD monitor output of some sort;
And on top of that I'd be happy so see useful AF for shooting without an assistant, handheld, etc… built in ND… and some sort of meta tagging function that could use, say, an iPhone's keyboard or wireless computer keyboard, wired or via bluetooth (as opposed to a joystick or whatever in-camera).
So… you get a lot of the above with a DSLR - with a 550d you get some really beautiful images if you know lighting. I feel I've got all the control I need with the thing for $899 (I'd love to dial-in white balance, but hey… $899, man!)
The only thing I see that comes close to everything on my list will be if Scarlet really does ship this summer - haven't been over to red-net in a while, don't know if it's again delayed. But we're still taking $5k for fixed lens.
We're at a point where compromises seem to be reducing… will we get "all of the above" at a, say, DVX price point? I dunno - Red seems to be the only manufacturer at sub-$8-$10k delivering on the high frame rates for instance… but after a few years of the joy & frustration of a DVX being my primary cam, all I can say is "life is good right now"...
DSLR vs. video-specific camera? All I know is my "what I want" list:
The most pristine compression possible with reasonable file sizes/workflow & suitable for keying when needed;
Beautiful color, especially highlight rendering;
Full control over DOF (one of the first posts in this thread was essentially "shallow DOF is juts to make bad shots look good" which is utter crap - as a still shooter, I make DOF decisions every day based on the feel I want to achieve);
Little or no jello (hey, things like whip pans and the sort of "shake to find your shot" aren't necessary in every project, but they ARE important parts of the visual vocabulary and as such are useful shorthand that make emotional points… I don't want those shots to wobble like gelatin);
Burst frame rates up to 100-120 seconds or so for true slow mo;
Selectable SD, 720 & 1080;
Professional XLR inputs, phantom power and metering with no ALC (or at least give me the that last three and a breakout XLR box);
HD monitor output of some sort;
And on top of that I'd be happy so see useful AF for shooting without an assistant, handheld, etc… built in ND… and some sort of meta tagging function that could use, say, an iPhone's keyboard or wireless computer keyboard, wired or via bluetooth (as opposed to a joystick or whatever in-camera).
So… you get a lot of the above with a DSLR - with a 550d you get some really beautiful images if you know lighting. I feel I've got all the control I need with the thing for $899 (I'd love to dial-in white balance, but hey… $899, man!)
The only thing I see that comes close to everything on my list will be if Scarlet really does ship this summer - haven't been over to red-net in a while, don't know if it's again delayed. But we're still taking $5k for fixed lens.
We're at a point where compromises seem to be reducing… will we get "all of the above" at a, say, DVX price point? I dunno - Red seems to be the only manufacturer at sub-$8-$10k delivering on the high frame rates for instance… but after a few years of the joy & frustration of a DVX being my primary cam, all I can say is "life is good right now"...
I'm really hoping their will be a reasonable priced kit zoom lense available for AG-AF100, that will be wide with a fast fixed f stop and a built in zoom motor with full communication with the camera. In the mean time my t2i is a toy/c-camera and I don't want to spend much money on accessories for it.
TimTheFoolMan
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With all due respect, I'm reminded of something Lee Trevino said when asked about what brand of golf clubs to buy:
"It's not the arrow... it's the Indian."
This definitely applies to me, as I'm not much of an Indian with any of my gear. - Tim