But this actually is the beginning of the end, right?

I've been saying that since the first DSLRs started being used -- they're great for the price, but the compromises mean that I (and I assume many/most professional shooters) will abandon them for 'real' video cameras. My 7D is already up for sale.

However, it's certainly not the end! The incredibly low price point makes the DSLR extremely affordable for many who can't (or won't) justify $6,000 for a full digital cinema camera. And, there's the oft-mentioned "stealth" factor of the DSLR.

I do think it's probably the end for huge kitted-out DSLR rigs that cost $6,000; people have been spending a lot and building up their rigs to make a DSLR usable, and with the arrival of a camera that's purpose-built for the task, there will be no reason to jump through those hoops and spend that dough.

But for someone who wants to shoot inconspicuously, having a DSLR will be invaluable. And they'll be excellent for b-cams, crash cams, weird-angle cams, etc.
 
The only adapter I want is one that takes a broadcast zoom lens and up sizes the image for my DSLR

That panny looks good 50p - 1080 ??

S
 
When the AF drops I'm going back to Panny for sure. As long as the Image looks as good or better than my 7D. I would pay not to deal with Moire/Aliasing/Dual Audio (which is not that bad) and a fixed screen. For now the I'm more than happy with the Canon. For now.
 
Except as of right now there is only one camera from Panasonic planned for development and it will only feature a 4/3 chip. That's just not going to cut it for a lot of people. I would imagine most are waiting on a full frame, or super 35mm sized sensor in a traditional video camera body.
 
KeithAndrews.TV said:
Except as of right now there is only one camera from Panasonic planned for development and it will only feature a 4/3 chip. That's just not going to cut it for a lot of people. I would imagine most are waiting on a full frame, or super 35mm sized sensor in a traditional video camera body.
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Why doesn't a 4/3 sensor cut it? We're talking 4 times the size of 2/3" here, it's not like it's a tiny sensor. Low-light ability of the gh1 sensor is already similar to the 5DII in video, so the only reason to wait for a full-frame video camera is if you need extremely shallow dof. This is going to be one hell of a popular camera for a lot of people, especially considering it's lens mounting options.
 
Will it work with super 16mm lenses ,not widest angle ones but some standards where circle is bigger and maybe could cover whole 4/3 sensor ?
Would be even nicer to have 4/3 cams and switch to crop sensor to 16mm and super16mm sizes so you would get no vignetting in video.
 
Yes, the GH1 can use some c-mount lenses, usually 35mm or longer, with full image circle coverage, so those should also work on the HF100.
 
Mother&%$#*@!!! I just bought a T2i!!!

Just kidding. I love that little camera. I still think that it is the best quality to price camera I have ever bought and am excited about using it ( I paid less for the T2i kit with cards, extra battery and card reader then I paid for a Canon 1014XLS Super-8 camera back in the day). The "Stealth Factor" is a huge draw, IMHO and I think will keep the HD-DSLRs around for awhile. I am still making money shooting SD and the AF-100 fits my HD upgrade timeline almost perfectly.
 
cowpunk52 said:
Why doesn't a 4/3 sensor cut it? We're talking 4 times the size of 2/3" here, it's not like it's a tiny sensor. Low-light ability of the gh1 sensor is already similar to the 5DII in video, so the only reason to wait for a full-frame video camera is if you need extremely shallow dof. This is going to be one hell of a popular camera for a lot of people, especially considering it's lens mounting options.
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Because people need shallow DOF to pretend that what they shoot with it is good.
 
jmmusic said:
Barry,

This in reference to the AG-AF100? Where did you see the mention of price? I didn't see that in the Panny article.

6k... really? That's a helluva gap from the $650 body-only GH1.

John
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$6K is the number given by Jan Crittenden, the Panasonic product manager who posts right here at DVXuser.

$6K is a very reasonable price. That's less than the EX1's MSRP at launch. It's less than the original cost of an HVX200 package. The GH1 is a consumer-grade still photo camera with a well-implemented video function, released by Panasonic's consumer division, which is actually a separate company that has no experience with prosumer and professional video. The AG-AF100 has all of the capabilities of a prosumer/professional camcorder (minus powered zoom) and is being developed and released by Panasonic's broadcast division. So some proper perspective is needed here if the price issue is to be fairly critiqued.
 
Thanks, ydgmdlu.

It's not that I'm complaining about the price; the product looks a treat. (And I see that these are two completely different products/product lines from two different divisions of Panasonic.) But the target market versus price point seems, well, just a bit off...

Perhaps everyone getting paid to shoot interviews, commercials, live-events, wrap-arounds, etc. have really been looking for a cinema camera. Perhaps. (?) Or is it the rapid-growing narrative indie-filmmakers (read that as "relatively" broke) that bought a DVX, then a DOF adapter, then a video-capable DSLR, etc. now wanting a real video-cam version of the current tech that pushed the birth of this product?

From the pulse of all of the online banter from the last year or so, the product looks kind of geared toward the latter. And, at that, 6k seems like a high street compared to what was able to be delivered from their consumer division.

Just thinking aloud really. I'm probably way off. Panasonic should charge whatever they can get, because this idea has been what indie videographers have been dreaming of for a couple of years.

Man, tech changes fast nowadays!

John
 
Depends on the usage. I have an Ex1/Lex combo and I get comparable images from my 5d at 1/3rd the price.

The main advantage, as I see it, of the DSLR revolution is that it makes modern filmmaking a modular persuit. Rather than the old school of a camera that does it all, here we have a camera with limitations, but that is nonetheless capable of great images.

This is a really modular system, if you want the images you get a 5d, if you want the audio you can buy an audio recorder like a h4n/r44 etc. Then you can upgrade as appropriate etc.

It's modular, taking specialised gear for each project. Maybe one day you want just the cam, maybe the next day you put a mic and a z-finder on it, maybe the next you kid it out with the full ffocus/mattebox rig etc etc.

Point is imo it's this modularity that is the big plus of the 5d, rather than it's limitation. And personally, whilst I see the usage of putting the 4/3 in a panny video camera and taking the tired old camcorder area and updating it, I don't see people willing to give up all the inherent size/weight advantages of the DSLR's.

Convergence perhaps, but not replacement.
 
Gotta agree, I like being able to strip off all the movie stuff and have a world class still camera when I want it.
 
f64manray said:
Gotta agree, I like being able to strip off all the movie stuff and have a world class still camera when I want it.
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Ya I agree here too ... I think the S35 Red plan has more of a upside and usability if it really does totally get off the ground. But until then ...
 
The end will be a full-frame camera that comes with a fixed lens that can go from 12mm to 200mm at a rock-solid 1.2f, has an ISO of 16,000, suffers from no rolling-shutter, aliasing, moire, ect. and is fully automatic with an A.I. that makes sure each and every shot is in focus and properly exposed.

What's more, it will come standard on the iPhone2k. :thumbsup:
 
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