Best Codec for Vegas

PerroneFord said:
Define "better".

And no, Cineform is not available inside Mpeg Streamclip.
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After watching the 3rd Zacuto series , DSLR shootout, they go into detail, saying that Using any other codec



like prores and such makes a huge difference..

so Since I have been using DNxHD for Vegas, I was wondering if people who also Use DNxHD have switch to a better codec, SMALLER, Better Color, ans so on.
 
speedjunkie said:
After watching the 3rd Zacuto series , DSLR shootout, they go into detail, saying that Using any other codec



like prores and such makes a huge difference..

so Since I have been using DNxHD for Vegas, I was wondering if people who also Use DNxHD have switch to a better codec, SMALLER, Better Color, ans so on.
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DNxHD is one of the world's top editing codecs. It is the native codec for Avid. The editing system used on the world's biggest movies. DNxHD was used to cut Ironman 1 and 2, Transformers, Avatar, Spiderman 1-3, 2012, etc. If it's good enough for them, I'm betting it will be good enough for your projects.

And ProRes essentially started as a copy of DNxHD. They are incredibly similar. Even using nearly the same bitrates for most of their levels of encoding.

Are there codecs that give better color? Yes. Are there codecs that are more efficient and make smaller files? Yes, and Cineform is one of them. However, DNxHD is likely as good a free codec as you'll find and it has some significant advantages in professional post production.

I am just starting to fool with the Matrox codecs and they seem excellent too. Not as universal as DNxHD, but should work nicely in Vegas.

-P
 
You might want to check out DVFilm Epic I. This is for the 'Something totally different' category. You don't really have to worry about any codecs since you can edit directly in Vegas 9 with Epic realtime files and then export from your original files with a click of a button.

You can download the free demo to try it out and get more information here: www.dvfilm.com/epic

Hope this helps,
Andy Olson
 
I used DNxHD but just purchased DVfilms EPIC 1 which makes a proxy on the fly and I think uses the original. Seems to work great but anyone have any differant oppinions on it? I don't know how vegas can use the non-codec files but it seems to...or perhaps they are using a codec?
 
boulder said:
I used DNxHD but just purchased DVfilms EPIC 1 which makes a proxy on the fly and I think uses the original. Seems to work great but anyone have any differant oppinions on it? I don't know how vegas can use the non-codec files but it seems to...or perhaps they are using a codec?
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So is this better than Cineform?(quality wise)
 
JoeJITSU said:
So is this better than Cineform?(quality wise)
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Better? Maybe. Certainly different. Proxy editing or online/offline editing has deep roots and it prevents generational loss but it can be problematic in some areas. Cineform has some real drawbacks too, but if it works for you, it's excellent.
 
PerroneFord said:
Better? Maybe. Certainly different. Proxy editing or online/offline editing has deep roots and it prevents generational loss but it can be problematic in some areas. Cineform has some real drawbacks too, but if it works for you, it's excellent.
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Well I don't yet have a pulldown program. I use Sony Vegas pro 9, After effects CS4 and minimal Premier Pro. Now I did download the DNxHD BUT I can't find it anywhere is there a way that I need to use this? I couldn't even find it in sony vegas or premier. Thanks
 
JoeJITSU said:
Well I don't yet have a pulldown program. I use Sony Vegas pro 9, After effects CS4 and minimal Premier Pro. Now I did download the DNxHD BUT I can't find it anywhere is there a way that I need to use this? I couldn't even find it in sony vegas or premier. Thanks
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Vegas, choose .mov, custom, change the codec to Avid DNxHD. Configure the codec and there is a small sliver of a window at the bottom (it's a bug) that let's you choose what you need. These are merely SUGGESTIONS. Choose by bitrate.

Right now, I am experimenting with the new Matrox codecs. So far they seem excellent. I should have the word on them by Friday.
 
Hey thanks,
Let me know what those are like as well. I just did 2 renders with the DNxHD 1080 24 codec and not so clear as I want. My original AVCHD footage is crisp. I will experiment more though. I will most likely try the cineform as well. Thanks again
 
Cineform is a pretty clear winner in my book (though it is quirky, a bit buggy) - quality is best even compared to ProRes due to custom luminance and chroma smoothing specifically tuned to 7D to a 10-bit file.
 
stephenvv said:
Cineform is a pretty clear winner in my book (though it is quirky, a bit buggy) - quality is best even compared to ProRes due to custom luminance and chroma smoothing specifically tuned to 7D to a 10-bit file.
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Except for that pesky color space conversion Cineform does whether you want it or not. Fine for broadcast, not fine for going elsewhere.
 
JoeJITSU said:
Hey thanks,
Let me know what those are like as well. I just did 2 renders with the DNxHD 1080 24 codec and not so clear as I want. My original AVCHD footage is crisp. I will experiment more though. I will most likely try the cineform as well. Thanks again
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Which 1080/24? And did you do 24 or 23.98. They are different, and you aren't shooting 24.
 
PerroneFord said:
Except for that pesky color space conversion Cineform does whether you want it or not. Fine for broadcast, not fine for going elsewhere.
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Cineform says it's a Vegas thing, Vegas says it's a Cineform thing. Nothing is "Lost" and I would like to see this improved in Vegas if you read this - some good discussions of the issue (Plus Cineform has a couple of tech notes).

http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/cineform-software-showcase/474933-neoscene-results-5d-files-darker.html

http://techblog.cineform.com/?p=2959

It is buggy, but as long as you know what you need for output, read your scopes, Cineform is the best codec I've seen in Vegas for 7D footage.
 
stephenvv said:
Cineform says it's a Vegas thing, Vegas says it's a Cineform thing. Nothing is "Lost" and I would like to see this improved in Vegas if you read this - some good discussions of the issue (Plus Cineform has a couple of tech notes).

http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/cineform-software-showcase/474933-neoscene-results-5d-files-darker.html

http://techblog.cineform.com/?p=2959

It is buggy, but as long as you know what you need for output, read your scopes, Cineform is the best codec I've seen in Vegas for 7D footage.
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My initial testing with this Matrox codec is looking VERY promising. It's not wavelet like Cineform, so the output is larger, but boy does it look good. I encoded some 4k RED stuff last night and it was VERY VERY good looking. I am going to do some more testing today or tonight.
 
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