Avatar - James Cameron Returns! (Spoilers in thread, obviously!)

I can't believe this film won best film in the Globes. I really hope it doesn't get best film at the Oscars. Avatar is an average story at best. Great entertainment, but that's it. I can accept best director for the innovative approach as director- call it a best director "technical" award win- but best film? As in best score, best story, best acting, best cinematography, best art design, etc etc.? No way.

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Personally I think the film ends badly: by letting the humans go they basically sentenced the Na'vi's to death- No way would people stop pursuing the richness of Pandora, and they would just come back with way more troops and guns, based on the "fight terror with terror"premise Cameron launched as a plot on the movie.

I just can't see an interesting sequel happening for Avatar. The only other direction I see this film going is "The Lion King" route: the circle of life thing with the son of the first film's heroes facing the hurdles of life as well as the second coming of the colonialists...
 
And just what kind of offspring can Jake have with his Na'vi princess? Any chance of managing a crossbreed somehow?
 
Batutta said:
Huh? You did see the end of the movie, right?
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Yes, at the end of the film he saw the spirit of Jake placed into the Na'vi avatar created by the humans and modified with Jake's DNA.

That Na'vi, Jake's Na'vi, should be different. Maybe his offspring will take to the human DNA even further, who knows.

I agree with SPZ a bit, while I really enjoyed this film there were far better films this year.

MAH
 
Michael Anthony Horrigan said:
Yes, at the end of the film he saw the spirit of Jake placed into the Na'vi avatar created by the humans and modified with Jake's DNA.
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But if it was a true hybrid than it would be half human in size and appearance. I didn't get that impression. He seemed to be a fully abled Na'vi. What I took is that they used enough of Jake's (actually his twin brother's) DNA for the neural link to work, but nothing more. He should be able to reproduce just fine. We know he can do the tail link tango. Considering we share around 97 percent of the same DNA as chimpanzees, the Na'vi, being bipedal humanoids, most likey share some genetic similarities to humans, so it's probably those similarities that have been spliced into the Na'vi genome to make Jake's Avatar.
 
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Batutta said:
But if it was a true hybrid than it would be half human in size and appearance. I didn't get that impression. He seemed to be a fully abled Na'vi. What I took is that they used enough of Jake's (actually his twin brother's) DNA for the neural link to work, but nothing more. He should be able to reproduce just fine. We know he can do the tail link tango. Considering we share around 97 percent of the same DNA as chimpanzees, the Na'vi, being bipedal humanoids, most likey share some genetic similarities to humans, so it's probably those similarities that have been spliced into the Na'vi genome to make Jake's Avatar.
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Not to get too technical but when you start mixing DNA there's now an outside factor that was never there before.

Either way, his avatar is not a true Na'vi. It is part human, regardless of what percent that portion is it could cause issues down the line.

And yes, we share so much DNA with chimps but look at how different we are.
Now... think of that when altering a Na'vi with human DNA. Doesn't take much for big changes to occur. :)

MAH
 
Michael Anthony Horrigan said:
Not to get too technical but when you start mixing DNA there's now an outside factor that was never there before.

Either way, his avatar is not a true Na'vi. It is part human, regardless of what percent that portion is it could cause issues down the line.

And yes, we share so much DNA with chimps but look at how different we are.
Now... think of that when altering a Na'vi with human DNA. Doesn't take much for big changes to occur. :)

MAH
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But big changes didn't occur. Nothing makes me believe Jake couldn't reproduce with another Na'vi, which was thartley's original comment. And we have 97 percent IDENTICAL DNA to chimps. If I took my 97 percent that was the same and mixed it with a chimp's identical DNA, you would still get a regular chimp. If you spliced only the DNA that was exactly the same in both Na'vi and humans, and left the stuff that makes a Na'vi a Na'vi, it would be a regular Na'vi. They're splicing genes, not mixing a human/Na'vi sperm and egg milkshake and seeing what falls out.
 
mikkowilson said:
CNN ran with that name for some reason; the "proper" name is still under discussion. "Avatarians", "Na'vi", and "Dreamwalkers" are some of the other suggestions I've heard.

- Mikko
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Not one of those alternatives even begins to hold a candle to Avatards.

re: Jake's Na'vi genome: count the fingers and toes on Jake's avatar, then count the fingers and toes on the true Na'vi...the phenotypical differences are immediately visible, and they're driven by genotypical variance.

Not that hybridization would necessarily be impossible, or anything.
 
Batutta said:
But big changes didn't occur. Nothing makes me believe Jake couldn't reproduce with another Na'vi, which was thartley's original comment. And we have 97 percent IDENTICAL DNA to chimps. If I took my 97 percent that was the same and mixed it with a chimp's identical DNA, you would still get a regular chimp. If you spliced only the DNA that was exactly the same in both Na'vi and humans, and left the stuff that makes a Na'vi a Na'vi, it would be a regular Na'vi. They're splicing genes, not mixing a human/Na'vi sperm and egg milkshake and seeing what falls out.
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Yes, but I never said that they couldn't reproduce. Neither did he.

Just speculating on what the outcome would be. :)

I'll just say this one last time and be done with it. Jake's Avatar has been altered. They used his/twins DNA to alter it.

That in no way makes it the same as regular Na'vi DNA, it has been changed.

Just saying.

MAH
 
Sad Max said:
re: Jake's Na'vi genome: count the fingers and toes on Jake's avatar, then count the fingers and toes on the true Na'vi...the phenotypical differences are immediately visible, and they're driven by genotypical variance.
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We have a bingo!

Like I said, their children will probably be different. Who knows how different.
 
Michael Anthony Horrigan said:
We have a bingo!

Like I said, their children will probably be different. Who knows how different.
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Looking back at thartley's original statement, I suppose it wasn't exactly questioning Jake's ability to have a child, which is how I originally interpreted it, so i guess it's just a misunderstanding. Didn't notice the toes before!
 
Batutta said:
Looking back at thartley's original statement, I suppose it wasn't exactly questioning Jake's ability to have a child, which is how I originally interpreted it, so i guess it's just a misunderstanding. Didn't notice the toes before!
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No problem. It's an interesting query.

The world he (Cameron) created is quite fascinating, even if it's not that original.

I do like the concept of how the Na'vi physically link to the world around them. Brings a whole new meaning to plugging into the matrix. :)

MAH
 
Michael Anthony Horrigan said:
I do like the concept of how the Na'vi physically link to the world around them. Brings a whole new meaning to plugging into the matrix. :)

MAH
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That concept is so analogous to computer networking there is a theory that Pandora arose from an advanced computer based civilization which mixed biology with computer tech, that it merged the best of the two to create the ideal world.
 
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