Atomos Flame Series - HDR Hi Bright 1500 NIT Monitor/Recorders

Wow an actual 10bit display panel. Very nice. Just think a year ago and we were still struggling to find 8bit monitors as opposed to 6bit panels. Looks like these devices finally support 4k DCI as well which is very welcome for GH4 and other camera users that shoot DCI.

Seems like decent battery life for 4k recording as well. 1.5 hours for the smaller battery makes it somewhat useful for live events or run&gun as well. Costs more than their other options but if that screen is really that much better than this could be a stellar monitor for color and contrast reproduction.
 
Everything looks great BUT I need to see the build quality on these things. My SmallHD 702 is built like a tank as far as monitors are concerned while the Shogun and Assassin felt like toys. If this comes with an upgraded build quality I will def pickup the ninja
 
I've caught myself hovering over the purchase of a SmallHD702 but now this one gives me pause. Its much brighter. I don't really need a recorder but it would be nice to have I guess. Too bad Atomos didn't offer this same 10bit bright panel in a non recorder version and undercut the 702 by a nice margin.
 
Wow, 1500 nits?! That's terrific.


And, of course, I just had my new Odyssey 7Q arrive in the mail today :p
 
FrameFarmMedia said:
I've caught myself hovering over the purchase of a SmallHD702 but now this one gives me pause. Its much brighter. I don't really need a recorder but it would be nice to have I guess. Too bad Atomos didn't offer this same 10bit bright panel in a non recorder version and undercut the 702 by a nice margin.
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The 702HB is also 1500nits.
 
What is the black level in nits? I don't see a spec for that. It doesn't matter if it has 1500 nits if it's black levels are high. Good HDR has a lot to with contrast ratios.
 
I am interested in next week when people have it in there hands an they can speak to the quality of the build. Everything else looks cool
 
Power draw for the Flame is listed as 10 - 24W. I wonder what mainly determines that large variable. I guess how bright you have it set and whether you're using the recording feature or not.

Power draw for the 702 is a low 8 watts, which is one of its advantages. Power draw for the DP7-Pro High Bright is a high 24 watts.

The Flame is 22.9 ounces and the 702 is 19.2 ounces, so the Flame is a little heavier, but pretty close in weight.


I'm confused by this HDR setting thing (which also looses monitor brightness). It sounds like it's just a less sophisticated LUT which cannot be altered, giving your Log image a more contrasted look. Can someone explain this to me?

10 stops of dynamic range on the monitor, which the way they market it makes that sound high; so all the previous monitors we've been using don't deliver the dynamic range of our 12-15 stop cameras? I know my on-board monitor on my C100 shows all the dynamic range of the camera that fits within what the waveform is showing.
 
Not true. Your C100 display will not show everything your camera is capturing. Hook it up to Canon's HDR capable DP-V2410 display and set the gamma on that display to Canon Log and you'll see what you're missing.

Eric Coughlin said:
10 stops of dynamic range on the monitor, which the way they market it makes that sound high; so all the previous monitors we've been using don't deliver the dynamic range of our 12-15 stop cameras? I know my on-board monitor on my C100 shows all the dynamic range of the camera that fits within what the waveform is showing.
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An average TV is ~ 6 stops. Top new UHD HDR LCD sets have up to 1,000 nits. At 1,500, they'll probably burst into flames.
 
I think your a bit confused between capture and display. Our displays only show a very limited brightness range, in "stops" about 6. Material is mapped to fit within that. HDR displays expand that viewable range.
 
Here's the official press release from Atomos:

New from Atomos:

"The Atomos Flame Series delivers the world’s most advanced 7” field monitor, delivering the luminance detail of Log with HDR Post Production color accuracy for the first time in a field monitor. The AtomHDR engine not only resolves HDR brightness detail, with 10-bit monitor processing it also resolves 64 times more color information than traditional 8-bit panels. For Rec709 standard dynamic range scenes the 1500nits brightness aids with outdoor shooting as does the upgraded power management system that will keep you shooting longer in the field. Of course you also get the professional 4K/HD ProRes/DNxHR Recording, Playback and Editing that has made Atomos famous.”

The Shogun Flame is $1,695 and the Ninja Flame is $1,295

As always let me know if you have any questions or if i can help in any way.

View attachment Flame Press comp1.pdf

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Hmm I am encouraged that the Flame is heavier than my 702, that makes me think the build quality is vastly improved. I think I am going to throw in a pre-order for the ninja.
 
txdp said:
I think your a bit confused between capture and display. Our displays only show a very limited brightness range, in "stops" about 6. Material is mapped to fit within that. HDR displays expand that viewable range.
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I don't understand what "Material is mapped to fit within that." means. If a C100 has 12 stops, I'm filming a scene that has 11 stops of contrast and the 11 stops are shown as fitting within 0-100 IRE on my waveform, then I look at my on-camera LCD, and see nothing is blown out and there are details in the shadows on the monitor...how is it able to do that if the monitor is only around six stops and I'm filming an 11 stop scene?
 
I too have no need for a recorder. If they could bring this out as a monitor only for well under $1k they might be surprised how many they would sell.
 
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