Any news yet on 35 ?
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on 35 cinema camcorder line yet .philiplipetz
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Rumors I hear say at the NAB show, but then I am hardly an insider. however, Canon has yet to ship the XF100/105 and so it may want to focus PR on that mini powerhouse and THEN announce a mirror less pro head. Judging from the XF series Canon will probably make the cam with the 50mbs 4:2:2 MPEG2 codec.
You'll probably see something before Red Scarlet. The 50 4:2:2 codec would be sweet as it meets broadcast specs without an external recorder, good enough for most users. You can be sure that canon will have appropriate lenses available at the time of launch, probably 2 or 3 L-series servo zooms that will cover zoom range needed for most work. Possibly a cheaper long slow zoom. But based on the xf line I wouldn't expect it to be cheap. The new codec has aimed them at pro broadcast clients above prosumer/event and is priced accordingly. With decent usable glass probably will be up to a F3 price point if not more. If canon enters this market it will be based on glass, and they won't be looking to be third tier behind panasonic and Sony.
I keep hoping they pull out something like the sony thing for the consumer line, but with 24p, ef lens mount and video optimized sensor for under 2k. Remember how the hv20 came out of nowhere and blew out the market. The video dslr's are doing sort of the same thing, but are photo first. If they made a consumer hybrid that was video first, with adequate stills for snapshots and hd slide shows, that would be something.
If I needed something right now and had the money the Af-100 would do the job, but seeing how fast things progress in consumer electronics, turning over in six month cycles, who knows what the next year will bring. If you have something to shoot on now and can wait for exactly what you want then great. If you need to get something then get what best serves your needs now, and work it without regret.
I keep hoping they pull out something like the sony thing for the consumer line, but with 24p, ef lens mount and video optimized sensor for under 2k. Remember how the hv20 came out of nowhere and blew out the market. The video dslr's are doing sort of the same thing, but are photo first. If they made a consumer hybrid that was video first, with adequate stills for snapshots and hd slide shows, that would be something.
If I needed something right now and had the money the Af-100 would do the job, but seeing how fast things progress in consumer electronics, turning over in six month cycles, who knows what the next year will bring. If you have something to shoot on now and can wait for exactly what you want then great. If you need to get something then get what best serves your needs now, and work it without regret.
You must not know Canon's style very well. Historically they've always lag behind Sony and Panasonic in development trend. The XF300 is Canon's first prosumer camera that actually doesn't record to tape, and that just came out last year(!). Definitely not a company that is particularly concerned about pursuing the current market trend; they'll come out with a model when they want to. The good news is that when they do come out with a model, it's usually very well designed and free from the deficiency of the other company's early models. I wouldn't expect anything from them for at least 1-2 years.
maranfilms
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I have to agree with Huy Vu, Seeing is they just launched a bunch of new models, pro, and consumer. Im sure they will want to recoupe some of the research and development costs associated before they launch another cam. Does Canon have a seperate division for pro-consumer- or slr's. Or is it one division that works on everything as a whole.
Canon will completely take the steam out of their DSLR's if they do not release a signifigantly updated 5D on this level. They must improve the bitrate and get rid of the artifacts or a large part of their newly aquired market will dwindle. It is undeniable that the profile of the kind of photographer who would buy this camera wants a hybrid and is indeed also interested in producing moving images. The difficult part for them is producing a camera that can maintain their traditional 3 year cycles given the accelerated rate of change in the marketplace. That takes some serious R&D.
HKO
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I hope we will see something amazing from them at NAB. This is my theory - they are all too aware of the market that the 5D Mark II created and they cannot risk too many potential Canon buyers jumping ship to the competition just when the large sensor race intensifies. Folks are indeed hoping to move away from the problems of DSLRs. We will now have Sony, Panasonic and RED to chose from soon and the specs on those cameras are impressive. Can Canon wait another year? If so it won't be to get the best specs as they tweak their camera. Red Epic is light years ahead of everyone else in that regard. What if they were to stick a large sensor in the front of an XF 305 - job done. Perhaps similiar specs to the F3 but slightly less money. Kinda between the AF100 and the F3. That would be nice.
And these cams will not be cheap. Once you begin spending over a few thousand dollars on a camera you are likely to keep it for a while and if something from the competition comes out that is marginaly better it may not be an incentive to defect. By that I mean - if a traditional Canon 5D user who became an AF100 owner sees a Canon with similiar specs in a similiar price range come out at NAB would they change? Perhaps not and if so that perhaps equates to a lost sale to Canon. They became the front runner in the DSLR race albeit late in the game, made huge profit from it and cannot make enough of them. We have seen this play out over what , three years - I would be surprised if they allow the wind to be knocked out of their sales by being late to this party but the last time they did that they scored becasue they were better than the rest - so I guess we will see.
And these cams will not be cheap. Once you begin spending over a few thousand dollars on a camera you are likely to keep it for a while and if something from the competition comes out that is marginaly better it may not be an incentive to defect. By that I mean - if a traditional Canon 5D user who became an AF100 owner sees a Canon with similiar specs in a similiar price range come out at NAB would they change? Perhaps not and if so that perhaps equates to a lost sale to Canon. They became the front runner in the DSLR race albeit late in the game, made huge profit from it and cannot make enough of them. We have seen this play out over what , three years - I would be surprised if they allow the wind to be knocked out of their sales by being late to this party but the last time they did that they scored becasue they were better than the rest - so I guess we will see.
peterarcson
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I managed to play with XF300 2 weeks ago and it is a professional video camera, producing picture comparable with 40K units.
Canon will completely take the steam out of their DSLR's if they do not release a signifigantly updated 5D on this level. They must improve the bitrate and get rid of the artifacts or a large part of their newly aquired market will dwindle. It is undeniable that the profile of the kind of photographer who would buy this camera wants a hybrid and is indeed also interested in producing moving images. The difficult part for them is producing a camera that can maintain their traditional 3 year cycles given the accelerated rate of change in the marketplace. That takes some serious R&D.
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Bassman2003
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I just purchased an XF300 and am very impressed outside of its sensitivity. I my view, Canon would get more mileage if they put an APS-C or Full Frame 1080p sensor in an XF300 body. Make it a second camera to the XF series with all of the same menus. controls and codec. This way it is a professional tool and it does not cannibalize its DSLRs. Price it to compete with the AF-100/FS-100 and people will love it. They are missing the boat right now since the Birger mount for these cameras is in limbo. A lot of people have Canon glass...
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