Any new improvements with GH1 Audio and Devices?

Vision Ammunition - Neil

Vision Ammunition - Neil

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Im going in circles. Something tells me I'm not alone.

Are there any new devices besides the following that have not been talked about much. Is anyone following it religiously out there?

I'm stuck between these choices for my GH13.

JuicedLink CX211 w/AGC DISABLER

juicedLink DT454

or

Zoom H4n?
 
To be short. Do not buy JuicedLink as one solution. You'll get one channel of not very high quality audio.

I suggest to look at http://www.tascam.com/products/dr-100.html
Interface of this thing is a lot better compared to Zoom. Plus some features are also nicer.

You must also be very carefull if you see many recorders or preamps in comparison. As some guys get their preamps for free from manufacturers and this can affect their opinion (even on unconcious levels).
Btw, I also have DT454 from manufacturer, but I don't like it's design, handling, strange levels. Produced in China this thing cost will be in $100 territory. I hope soon we'll see such things produced by few Chinese companies.
 
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I have already been through the videos posted above. Any demos with a GH1 or GH13 being used as the camera?

Also how does the Tascam standup to the Zoom H4n?
 
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Vision Ammunition - Neil said:
I have already been through the videos posted above. Any demos with a GH1 or GH13 being used as the camera??
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GH1 specific is only meaningful for JuicedLink or BeachTek.
Both are affected by not very good audio of GH1 (noise level and crosstalk are high).

Also how does the Tascam standup to the Zoom H4n?
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From XLR standpoint it is better. Interface is much better (such as direct level setting). Analog limiter, etc
But it can't record 4Ch using build-in mics as H4N.
 
I have a tascam dr100. The internal omni mic pair sound ****. The cardoid pair is very usuable but less good then hr4. The dr100 makes only sense when you have good external mics. If you have a pair ( I have Neumanns and DPAs) its a great little recording device.

eoe
 
Go to the TapersSection site - http://taperssection.com/index.php/board,11.0.html - if you want endless discussions about portable recorders, though not normally from a video perspective.

In particular on that site you might find the following post's links to be particularly helpful -

http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,114988.0.html

Other often mentioned resources include these -

http://www.wingfieldaudio.com/portable-recorder-reviews.html

That gives comparisons of many of the available devices.

http://www.avisoft.com/recordertests.htm

That compares the quality of portable audio devices mic inputs, from the perspective of wildlife recording.

Here I have the Zoom H2, the Sony M10, the Edirol R-44 (sold by their video division) and about every MiniDisc recorder ever made... I can try and answer any questions on these.
 
thanks Peter!! Very helpful posting! the Sony I was talking about is the PCM-D1 but I see it has no XLR inputz ....only an extra XLR adapter :-( and its xpensive too!

I started with Nagras then went Sony F1 ( on a 2 wheel cart with car battery) with Schoeps colette´s then it was Dat and then I stopped field recording and sold most of it...:happy:

I will have a look at those links you posted.
 
Main thing with all this audio stuff is not overdone things.
Content is main thing, placement of mics is next, mics selection is third and recorder only fourth overall.
It is good then people compare -80db and -90db noise levels.
But if you mastered some way to do good audio even on old non-cool recorder it is better than guys who record random sounds and measure noise levels.
 
The unusual feature of the H2, is that the mics are decent. Not great, but decent. So you are getting the mics plus the recorder for peanuts. Plus you can mod it. If there is something out there that can do that for $150, and can be converted into a four track, 24 bit, line-in recorder, I will eat my hat.
 
My Fostex FR2 LE and my RME FF400 will go four hours sync to my Canon hf10s. But even if they didn't, it is a matter of seconds to nibble a few samples off the wav file. Also, I rarely use chunks longer than 20 minuted before chopping them up. Haven't tried the GH1 yet, I just assumed that clocks had all improved. Hopefully it won't be a problem.
 
I know these things probably have significant headroom, but I would think a built-in limiter really would be helpful/godsend in a lot of situations. I wish the more traditional camcorders had this as well.

I wish there was a way to simultaneously trigger cam and recorder start automatically. I can't believe there aren't occasional problems with forgetting to roll the audio.
 
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I know these things probably have significant headroom, but I would think a built-in limiter really would be helpful/godsend in a lot of situations.
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The GH1 already comes with a good limiter if that's what you want. Unfortunately, its preamp has too much gain and boosts its input noise.

The best way to avoid clipping on a digital recorder is to record in 24-bit mode, and set the average input level to -12-18db. Even with this much headroom, you'll still have over 120db of encoding range for the signal. In practice, the noise floor will set the lower limit on your dynamic range.
 
Just turn the audio on and let it roll, and you won't miss anything. Ppl don't use limiters so much anymore, because a properly implemented one costs more than a good 24 bit recorder, which gives you all the room you need as 1 bit is worth about 6 dB--just as Ipowell astutely observes. Even at 12 dB down, you still are working at around 22 bits, more than enough for effects in post, or large volume changes.
 
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