GH4 ANAMORPHIC WARS!!! (now in dramatic capslock)

wwjd

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ANAMORPHIC was created for old school film technology to solve a deficiency of those times, by adding more degrading lenses and optical distortions to visuals.

There, I said it. :) So, I would like this to be a FUN discussion, where I politely take the opposing view to pretty much everyone filming these days: anamorphic does more damage to the images then good. My objective? Just make people think about it first.

First and foremost, all the aberrations anamorphic creates are nothing more that "artistic choices", just like shooting with toy lens, or adding filters, or shooting black and white or using plugins in post to alter, smudge, twist, bend, fold, and mutilate the original picture. And there is NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. Artistic choice IS a choice. And if that is your choice, there is nothing wrong with that, and you can stop reading now.

That said, what I purpose is that us striving for anamorphic is A STEP BACKWARD in our advancement of cinema filming. We can move beyond it, and we should be growing, not regressing. This is coming from a guy who was looking forward to shooting anamophic: I can afford it, was looking into it, and just before pulling the trigger, I searched my heart and mind for rationale, and this is what I came up with.

ANAMORPHIC takes a normal camera lens and warps it. Plain and simple. The reason it does so was to fit a wider image and use up more of the film frame back in the day - to fix a problem that doesn't really exist now*. Next, we take another warped lens and uncompact it at the projector. So, for us, we have our lenses, then we tak on more warped lenses on top adding glass and more glass in the way of our amazing, pristine camera images was are now capable of. We all strive for better quality, more accuracy, perfect white balance, proper skin tons, then twist and (ana)morph the image through a virtual obstacle course of optics, losing a notable percentage of quality.

We get oval bokeh that stretches in focus pulls. Not very realistic that one. More like some crazy plugin that manipulates images in some wacky, very not normal way. Our eyes our round, cameras iris are round, lenses are round (well, except anamorphic, of course), most bokeh is round, even in real life with our own eyes. So, oval bokeh is just another distortion. What if I made my bokeh all banana shaped? Just another "ARTISTIC CHOICE" right? And it stretches funny. Ever notice those long distance focus pulls in anamorphic movies? The way the background out of focus image stretches up and down - almost like someone doing that dolly zoom trick where the guy stays the same size and the background grows behind him - the anamorphic background expands up and down and SEEMS to get bigger in the process. VERY unnatural.

Wider view? Usually accompanied by a curvy (distorted) perspective. Many modern wide angle lenses no longer have that curved distortion, but you can still get it in some lenses and fisheye. But, again, curvy look is more of artistic choice for a scene and not really accurate and true.

Lens flares. Camera people spend millions on lens hoods and barn doors or lighting flags to protect the lenses from getting that extra light glazing off the lens, detracting from what is the main object in the image. REALLY GOOD photographers work extra hard to control the image and make it look great, and not have big swashes of light going across the picture that would make you ALWAYS KNOW you are looking at a photo or video from a CAMERA, instead of just drinking in the image presented. SOME lens flares are truly unavoidable. And in anamorphic squish, flares become weird, unrealistic laser beams blocking out the visuals that everyone else worked so hard to create.
Pointing into the sun, or making light bleed and burn is another artistic choice.

Summary: Anamorphic was a bandaid and never designed to create the artist choices it presents now. Those are ALL FLAWS from a dated, and destructive solution. Using it is recreating flaws that our current tech and abilities no longer requires us to HAVE TO film things with all these flaws in them. Our 4K cameras can produce feature film quality AS IS, and using anamophic is simply adding degredation as an artistic choice.

Yes, anamorphic harkens back to the days of big hollywood movies and we, at home, are now able to imitate all those flaws ourselves, yet they ARE flaws. Personally, I have never watched any movie and felt it was BETTER or more PROFESSIONAL because it was shot anamophic. And now that I am filming stuff myself, I am noticing how movies are made and now notice how distracting anamophic flaws are in the presentation of the story.

* The ONE THING I can see Anamophic being beneficial for with modern technology is utilizing MORE pixels on the sensor, should the camera manufactures allow it.... like 2300 squished down to whatever it is inside a 2.40:1 scope. Turns out, on our GH4 they eneded up REDUCING the number of pixels used, rather than expanding it, for the anamophic modes. Which is a shame because I bet they could use more if they so programmed it. I could have really used with ability on my crappy Canon camera, but now with 4K, I have plenty of pixels to use and am none too worried about that anymore.

Remember, this is just one guy's personal perspective, but I would love to hear others here. DISCUSS!
 
Modern anamorphics such as the Hawks are flare resistant & nearly rectilinear. They're also in much less demand then the old Panavison lenses with all their imperfections.

Not the biggest fan of anamorphic flares, & oval highlights, but I do love how they render the background. Gives a feeling of 3D depth.
 
Anamorphic flares are so overdone, especially on the low budget end. BUT as Bern said above the lenses beautifully render backgrounds. I love how I can use a lens with the wide field of view of a 35mm but isolate the subjects with the DOF of a 75mm lens.
 
Forget the 1970's, dudes (and dudettes). Go all the way to the 1870's with the Petzval. If you want barrel distortion, you can't get more "artistic" than that.
 
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I love how I can use a lens with the wide field of view of a 35mm but isolate the subjects with the DOF of a 75mm lens.

This is an interesting point, Rob. I should play with my current lenses and see if that is easily recreatable. I suspect it can be.
 
Right, but I am thinking the wide view with shallow DOF like Rob Mentioned. I think THAT may be possible, obviously not the stretched look.
 
I love the distortion effects of an anamorphic, but hate the workflow with my BMCC. So I really like the aperture system the Dog Schidt lenses use which lets you put in a 2x oval aperture which renders the same distortion effects of an anamorphic, without the need to squeeze or desqeueeze footage. Maybe the best of both worlds...

https://vimeo.com/126762164
 
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Yep, they are calling it flaws also. And I'm not saying anamorphic is BAD for everyone, just some conclusions I came to whilst pondering jumping on board. Now if Panny made the anamorphic crop larger than 4k, like 4.2 or 4.5, it would be interesting. Yet, negated resolution due to increased glass....

did you know that pixel for pixel, the GH4 in 4:3 anamorphic mode gives you more pixels than an Alexa 4:3? not that resolution means... anything really.
 
I'm interested in shooting anamorphic purely as an artistic choice. It has nothing to do with getting "better" or "more perfect" images and everything to do with producing a specific emotional feel that can only be achieved with the look of 2x anamorphic lenses.

Spherical lenses are awesome.
Anamorphic lenses are awesome.
Everything is awesome.

:)
 
Spielberg's film is also a period piece and meant to create a sense of time and place.

Take a look at the image in the above post. Forget about the lens flares. Look at the curvature of field, like the film was wrapped around a ball. That sense of depth and space is unique to anamorphic imagery. 35mm wide angles are a bit different. So are 65mm. It is a unique look. Not better or worse, just different.

Technical precision is not the point, nor are artifacts for artifacts' sake. The OP criticism of anamorphic could easily be applied just about anywhere in cinema. Why have non-diagetic music? It is artifice. Why not shoot and project everything at a higher frame rate that more closely resembles the frequency at which we absorb information in reality? How did that one work out for The Hobbit? It is an historical quirk that movies are shot and projected at 24fps, but try shooting at 60fps or even 30p and people (myself included) complain that it looks like video. This is nothing new; Oklahoma! was famously shot in 24fps 35mm CinemaScope and 30fps 65mm Todd-AO in alternate takes. The Todd-AO is technically superior in every way, but sometimes the 30fps material can feel "video-like" simply because that is what we associate the frame rate to.

If you really believe that anamorphic is a backwards step, then I guess you feel that no one should every use a diffusion filter on a lens as it degrades the image. Sorry, not buying it.
 
It's all good, people can do what they like. After all my waiting and anticipating and researching, I found this step back was not for me. Mitch, you are right: I can not WAIT to get to 60 and 120fps, making movies more immersive to the mind than has ever been possible or practical in the past. I follow and support the efforts of Douglas Trumbull, James Cameron and Peter Jackson in their forward thinking technologies. Eventually the masses will accept it like normal, as they always do through slow progression of changes.

And I respect anyone's artistic choices.

I think my point is that using filters or going for a certain look is creative using the paintbrush, but duplicating anamorphic flaws is like using a broken paintbrush. :) for a twisted analogy. We recreate a distorted view from old lenses designed to fix specific problems. And there is nothing wrong with that artistically. I suppose it is a lot like shooting 15fps, or filming only in black and white when newer, better options are now available.

Back then options were few. Now, they are quadrupling.
 
for kicks, I tried to recreate the "wider with DOF" shot with Sigma 13-38 @1.8 w/Lens Turbo, and a Canon 50mm @1.4 w/Lens Turbo. Didn't work as well as a real anamorphic, but usable. :)

canon 50mm.jpgsimga 18-35.jpg (pretend the top of the hydrant is some guy's face)

and some CURVE using a super crappy adapter I had laying around. It is actually sort of a wide angle fisheye adapter. Just some creative options here.
curve.jpg
 
Now here is s perfect example of how an image can be degraded by the lens. Just look how it has chipped the paint right off that fire hydrant. Imagine if that had been some bodies face. :evil:
 
Yeah, it's not really going to work since you can't cheat optics.

I love anamorphic and think the pain in use is worth it....feel like it helps give some production value to low budget productions. It's great to see SLR magic stepping into the game and produce lenses that will hopefully be affordable for the average shooter. It's crazy how the price of Lomos has skyrocketed since I bought mine.

Now that it seems many cameras will begin to offer a 4:3 mode it will make it even easier for us. Though it's surprising how many car commercials & music videos I've seen that don't crop the sides and have that crazy wide 2x 3:56ish ratio.
 
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