Am I the only one that wishes panasonic was part of the HDV pact and used tape?

[ecking]

Am I the only one that wishes panasonic was part of the HDV pact?

I mean to get HD from this cam at the best price is $9,343.17 CAD(direct conversion for hvx+firestore). And I just know canadian stores will mark it up even more so I'm looking realistically $10,500-11k. I don't know if I can ever afford this being a college student.

I may have to start looking at a Z1U because I love the non-shouldermount form factor of the dvx. And all my accessories like my fig rig and **** work better with that form factor.

After the feature I'm shooting this summer with my dvx I want my next to be HD and wish panasonic had a dvx-hvx form factor that had the framerates of the hvx that captured like the JVC does and just records to tape like the JVC(after all JVC and Panasonic are owned by the same company).

Because at least then if I bought a $6000 USD camera (which is $7000CAD but would probably sell at $8000 realistically) I could at least shoot HD with the damn thing right out of the box.

All I want is the dvx-hvx type form factor that shoots 24p HD, I could care less of the format, any HD format is better than dv. Is this so hard to ask?

To me low-budget filmmaking is no longer low-budget.

And all these calculations where done before even considering the 15% tax we have to pay on everything.

And I know how much a DVCPRO HD tape drive costs to make that why I suggested HDV like the JVC.

And no, being attached to a laptop all the time is not a viable option for the way I shoot. So to me the hvx would basically a super expensive 16:9 dvx.

*Sigh* My dvx just might be the last panasonic I ever buy.

 

[NoahK]

Sounds like the Canon XL HD might be more for you until P2 cards become cheaper.

Noah

 

[J.R. Hudson]

Am I the only one that wishes panasonic was part of the HDV pact?

I mean to get HD from this cam at the best price is $9,343.17 CAD(direct conversion for hvx+firestore). And I just know canadian stores will mark it up even more so I'm looking realistically $10,500-11k. I don't know if I can ever afford this being a college student.

I may have to start looking at a Z1U because I love the non-shouldermount form factor of the dvx. And all my accessories like my fig rig and **** work better with that form factor.

After the feature I'm shooting this summer with my dvx I want my next to be HD and wish panasonic had a dvx-hvx form factor that had the framerates of the hvx that captured like the JVC does and just records to tape like the JVC(after all JVC and Panasonic are owned by the same company).

Because at least then if I bought a $6000 USD camera (which is $7000CAD but would probably sell at $8000 realistically) I could at least shoot HD with the damn thing right out of the box.

All I want is the dvx-hvx type form factor that shoots 24p HD, I could care less of the format, any HD format is better than dv. Is this so hard to ask?

To me low-budget filmmaking is no longer low-budget.

And all these calculations where done before even considering the 15% tax we have to pay on everything.

And I know how much a DVCPRO HD tape drive costs to make that why I suggested HDV like the JVC.

And no, being attached to a laptop all the time is not a viable option for the way I shoot. So to me the hvx would basically a super expensive 16:9 dvx.

*Sigh* My dvx just might be the last panasonic I ever buy.

Hate to rain on your parade but I don't think Panasonic made this camera with the college student in mind.

With your thinking we should all own Moviecam's and be able to develop/process and telecine our projects at cost.

If your worried about lo-budget filmmaking no longer being lo-budget then maybe you're relying on technology too much. You have a DVX as we speak; what have you done with it so far? And the HVX is gonna do what for you?

 

[Jarek Zabczynski]

DVCProHD to HDV on tape is too much of a sacrifice for me. I'll just be tethered to a laptop till Firestore comes out with their solution.

 

[Loki]

this just sounds like more whiny whiny boohoo customer crap.... there are cameras out there for you... they are from Sony and Canon.. don't get yourself in a twist becuase Panasonic isn't catering to all your specific needs.

and you should care format... if filmmakers didn't care about format then I doubt film would have the stranglehold it does..

 

[Barry_Green]

The FireStore should solve your concerns about being tethered to a laptop and shooting HD right out of the box.

If you want a moderately-priced 24fps handheld HDV solution, perhaps Canon will oblige with the long (long, long, long)-rumored HDV version of the GL2 someday. Sounds like if they ever produce it, it could be exactly what you're looking for.

 

[Luis Caffesse]

"To me low-budget filmmaking is no longer low-budget."

Huh?
So just because new tools came out that may cost more than you can spend suddenly means that low budget filmmaking is no longer low budget?

You mentioned you're shooting a feature on the DVX this summer.
Panasonic didn't stop making the DVX just because they announced the HVX. In fact, they revised and improved it, again.

Low budget filmmaking has never been CHEAPER than it is right now, and it's only going to keep getting cheaper. The problem is that as technology advances, and our own experience advances, our standards become higher and higher.

I remember everyone wetting themselves when the first prosumer camera came out with XLR inputs. Now we argue as to whether the HDSDI output on the XLH1 is 8bit or 10bit.

Look back on the films which are heralded as being the "low budget" breakout hits....
I'm thinking about things like Slacker and El Mariachi. Each of those cost more than 20,000 to make. It's nothing for a movie budget, but a lot more than most people have laying around.

Today I know more than a handful of people who have shot features on their DVXs & XL1s for under $3,000 and have played Sundance, SXSW, and gotten DVD and cable distribution deals.

Sorry, you can't get everything for $5 yet.
But in the meantime make your movie on the DVX and be happy that things have gotten as cheap as they have. There is nothing stopping any of us from making a great film today other than our own motivation and tenacity.

 

[ecking]

You most of you guys are just quick to jump on somoeone with a different opinion. People like Noah and Barry are understanding and offered more than just border line flames.

NoahK: Sounds like the Canon XL HD might be more for you until P2 cards become cheaper.

Yeah man it does, I just wish the canon had a dvx type form factor.

John: "Hate to rain on your parade but I don't think Panasonic made this camera with the college student in mind.

With your thinking we should all own Moviecam's and be able to develop/process and telecine our projects at cost.

If your worried about lo-budget filmmaking no longer being lo-budget then maybe you're relying on technology too much. You have a DVX as we speak; what have you done with it so far? And the HVX is gonna do what for you?"

Come on man just because I'm college age doesn't mean it's fair for you to throw that **** back in my face, this has nothing to do with being a college student. It's just the reason that I don't work a 9-5 and do filmmaking on the side, it's the reason that I happen to be too poor to afford this. I'm sure that plenty of other people find the hvx too expensive just like me and they probably aren't in college. So being a college student is irrelevant, the problem is money. I'm not asking anyone to make a "COLLEGE FILMMAKERS CAMERA" that shoots every digital and film format imaginable and has a cupon for a lifetime of free lab processing should I need it.

I just find it funny that the logical upgrade path is so expensive. My dvx cost me 3,500 and now it's next logical upgrade is 7000 more for a usable version(usable being the key word.)

Worried about lo-budget no longer being cheap? No I'm not worried, I never said that. It's just too bad that not nearly as many people that own the dvx will be able to own the hvx, because at the hvx's price point it will never move that many units, sure panasonic has acounted for this but in the end there are going to be a lot of dissatisfied users because they can't move up.

What have I done with my dvx? Numerous shorts, shooting whatever I can when ever I can. And like I said I'm making a feature with it. Just because you haven't seen my work or I don't have a 1000 posts doesn't mean I'm not putting in the time man, it doesn't mean a dvx is wasted on me. When I've got my website up and I've got some real nice **** to show that really makes me proud I'll show you guys, until then I'm satisfied with just putting in the work and learning all the time.

What can an hvx do for me? The same thing: offer me panasonic's excellent cinema gamma, form factor, reliability etc. BUT with the added bonus of HD resolution giving me a better picture and better options for a film out.

John as someone I have seen on these boards for a long time and respected the opinion of I was surprised how quickly you jumped on me and labeled me as a winey child. I'm not asking for anything crazy, other companies are doing it, just not with the form factor I've fallen in love with. If the canon XL H1 features other than SD-HDI(or whatever it's called) were in the body of an hvx with panasonic's gamma, I'd buy that **** in a second and it would never have to cost as much as an hvx or a XL H1. I just wish panasonic would offer that in as a mid-range camera to lessen the gap between the hvx and dvx.


JesterJJZ: DVCProHD to HDV on tape is too much of a sacrifice for me. I'll just be tethered to a laptop till Firestore comes out with their solution.

Your lucky man, I wish I could put up with that laptop ****, but wouldn't want to, plus I don't own a laptop.


Loki: this just sounds like more whiny whiny boohoo customer crap.... there are cameras out there for you... they are from Sony and Canon.. don't get yourself in a twist becuase Panasonic isn't catering to all your specific needs.

and you should care format... if filmmakers didn't care about format then I doubt film would have the stranglehold it does..

Boohoo crap? Wtf man? I like I said to John what I'm asking isn't crazy, you even said it yourself, sony and canon offer that, getting in a twist because panasonic dosen't? You show me me getting "in a twist" or crying or whatever else crap you claim and I'll give you 20bucks. Also, neither sony, nor canon did that, a fusion of them would do that. THAT is what I expected from panasonic, the best of both worlds. The dvx is the best of both worlds between a pd170 and an xl2. the hvx is not the best of both worlds from the z1u and the xl h1.

And I do care about format I said I don't care what "HD" format it is. Don't generalize my **** man. Are you gonna try to say that dv is better than HDV?


Barry Green: The FireStore should solve your concerns about being tethered to a laptop and shooting HD right out of the box.

If you want a moderately-priced 24fps handheld HDV solution, perhaps Canon will oblige with the long (long, long, long)-rumored HDV version of the GL2 someday. Sounds like if they ever produce it, it could be exactly what you're looking for.

Barry you hit the nail on the head, if this extisted it'd be perfect. And I bet if this extisted I would outsell the hvx hand over foot. This man knows what he's taking about doesn't put anyone down to do it, which is exactly why I bought his book. Keep it up Barry!

Luis Caffesse: Huh?
So just because new tools came out that may cost more than you can spend suddenly means that low budget filmmaking is no longer low budget?

You mentioned you're shooting a feature on the DVX this summer.
Panasonic didn't stop making the DVX just because they announced the HVX. In fact, they revised and improved it, again.

Low budget filmmaking has never been CHEAPER than it is right now, and it's only going to keep getting cheaper. The problem is that as technology advances, and our own experience advances, our standards become higher and higher.

I remember everyone wetting themselves when the first prosumer camera came out with XLR inputs. Now we argue as to whether the HDSDI output on the XLH1 is 8bit or 10bit.

Look back on the films which are heralded as being the "low budget" breakout hits....
I'm thinking about things like Slacker and El Mariachi. Each of those cost more than 20,000 to make. It's nothing for a movie budget, but a lot more than most people have laying around.

Today I know more than a handful of people who have shot features on their DVXs & XL1s for under $3,000 and have played Sundance, SXSW, and gotten DVD and cable distribution deals.

Sorry, you can't get everything for $5 yet.
But in the meantime make your movie on the DVX and be happy that things have gotten as cheap as they have. There is nothing stopping any of us from making a great film today other than our own motivation and tenacity.

I know low-budget filmmaking is technically cheaper than ever before and that nothing stops me from doing, that's why I'm doing it!

What I'm commenting on is how the market is moving up and is leaving the people that helped create it behind. I'm not asking for the hvx to cost as much as a dvx I just wish the hvx actually shot HD for it's price.

As my skill increases I want better tools, so does everyone else. It's normal. Does a ps2 cost much more than a ps1, some but not a ton when the ps1 was new. Does the ps2 do way more than the ps1? Yes. It's the same with computers, todays computers can do more than ever before, yet when yesterdays computers were new they cost roughly the same price.

With your thinking the hvx's upgrade in a few years should cost 11000 with no p2 cards.

You want to bring up low budget film like El Mariachi? Well the print Rodriguez sold to Columbia cost him 7000 dollars to make. Someone on these boards quoted Jan as saying that the least expensive setup for HD on the hvx from panasonic is gonna be 8995(for hvx+four 4gb p2 cards). To shoot HD on hvx cost more than film? This is why I said low-budget filmmaking is not so low-budget anymore.



If any of you guys or I were to buy an hvx in december what could we shoot with it out of the box without being attached to anything if you don't own any p2 cards?

16:9 DV.

The firestore won't even be out before march.


I'll just say this once again if what barry green described extisted as a midrange camera from panasonic, everyone would want one, and leave the hvx for the pros.

This market is the "PROSUMER" market, I don't want a studio camera, or a news camera. I want a semi professional camera like the dvx that shoots HD this isn't a crazy request. You guys are nuts if you think 10.5-11k Canadian to anyone is a prosumer price. If HD is really gonna spread through the market it needs to hit a lot of people and most people are not pros. I don't get paid to use a dvx and wouldn't to use an hvx. It seems like the hvx assumes everyone is now a pro. And if you guys think that because hvx is too expensive or "too much cam" and I should stick to dv, that's bullshit because if you think and act like that HD will never become the new standard.

That's like telling eveyone that can't afford DV to go shoot Hi8. Did panasonic tell everyone that couldn't afford a dvx to go buy another companies ****? No they created the dvc30. I just wish there was an my hd dvc30 type with 24p. A mid-market camera.

My idea is this: have a dvx-like 24p hdv camcorder that records to tape, have it cost 6000. The have the hvx and only offer it in a package with a firestore for like 8500, or with p2 cards for 8999 or for 9999 with even bigger p2 cards.

How would that be a bad solution?

 

[knightgames]

I remember speaking to Nancy Reagan concerning the tape issue. Her reply was: 'Just Say No!'

Seriously...... I can't wait for tapeless aquisition and transfer to editing applications. To me it's worth the extra cash to ensure no tape drop outs.... speedier 'capture' times.... real HD, as opposed to a compressed HDV image.....

Others have their own reasons for liking or not liking the cam, many for much more technical reasons than mine. While I see a 'steep' price to transfer over, I think the benifits far outweigh the costs.

The pen isn't necessarily btronger than the sword. It's the individual that weilds the pen. DVX 100... VX2000... HVX 200.... It doesn't matter if you can tell the story well.

I once saw an artist use toilet paper and water colours to paint. Many people called it art. I guess if they like it they CAN call it art.

 

[Barry_Green]

To shoot HD on hvx cost more than film?

Sure it does. Why is this news?

You can buy a 16mm camera for $100 off ebay. Or you could buy an XL H1 for $9,000. Even the cheapest of the cheapest of the cheap high-def cameras costs $1600. You could buy a 35mm Eyemo off ebay for maybe $300. Yes, high-def cameras cost more than film, and always have.

But that's not an apples-to-apples comparison: an HVX or XL H1 would be an *infinitely* easier shooting circumstance than Rodriguez' Arri 16S!

Even so: a 35mm sync-speed camera like the Konvas 1M can be had for maybe $1500. 32,000 feet of short ends (4:1 ratio) would cost you maybe $3,200. Processing would cost maybe another $3200. Total of $7900. So yes, you could shoot a movie on 35mm film for less than it costs to buy one of these HD cameras. (you couldn't transfer it to video or edit it at that price, but then again you can't edit HD footage straight out of the camera either, you'd need a deck and a computer and hard disks and all that as well).

 

[dkirlew]

P2 cameras

P2 cameras

Ecking I am like you a college, but any new technology is going to be expensive but just be patient. Soon there will be newer P2 camemra that are better and cheaper It's just because P2 is a relatively new format why it is so expensive. Oh and by the way I am considering the HVX for the futureproof it'll give me.

 

[Jaime Valles]

I don't understand... You want to have your cake and eat it too. Do you want low cost? Keep using the DVX. It still works, just as well as it did 2 years ago. Do you want cheap HD? Get the Z1 or the HD100 HDV camcorders. Do you want better HD? Get the HVX with Firestore for $8000. DIfferent prices get you different cameras with different target markets.

I know how easy it is to get swept up with the big technology coming out now, but it doesn't make your current equipment any less useful. Spend the $3500 that you'd spend on the Z1 buying some more lights, filters, better microphones, bigger hard disks and faster computers. HD is nothing more than an SD image with higher resolution. That's it. It's not the Second Coming or the Holy Grail of filmmaking. It's just a larger image.

Getting more accessories for your DVX film kit will surely make your movies look better than merely recording at a higher resolution. Heck, use the money to hire a professional crew and actors, and your next film's quality will increase tenfold over using an HVX.

 

[Kennedy]

You want to bring up low budget film like El Mariachi? Well the print Rodriguez sold to Columbia cost him 7000 dollars to make. Someone on these boards quoted Jan as saying that the least expensive setup for HD on the hvx from panasonic is gonna be 8995(for hvx+four 4gb p2 cards). To shoot HD on hvx cost more than film? This is why I said low-budget filmmaking is not so low-budget anymore.

Yes, El Mariachi original print cost around $7,000 (14 years ago).

Primer was also shot for $7,500. Both were shot on 16mm film cameras. But guess what. At the end of shooting, they didn't get to keep their 16mm cameras. A used Arri SR2 goes for about $25,000 (in good condition). A new SR3 goes for around $50,000 (with no lenses). So you can buy an HVX, or rent 16mm equipment (for about three to four weeks), for the same price, and that's only if your film stock is expired or short ends, and you get huge discounts from your local rental store.

You could always buy an HVX, shoot your feature, and then sell your HVX. Then you're out, what, $1,500?

 

[Neil Rowe]

..the DVX wil shoot a feature film just fine.. just because theres a better camera out there that isnt within someones particular budget doeant mean they cant make a decent film. if that were the case you could own an HVX and then complain becuase its not a varicam or viper or genesis or origin or cine alta and therefore you cant shoot a film.

IMHO, If your good at what you do then you should be able to make enough money using the DVX to warrant buying an HVX or better. whether thats through commercial/corporate/ect.. productions, or using the DVX to its full potential and make a great film and IT WILL SELL... then you can laugh about silly people with HVX's as you shoot everything on your Viper filmstream or whatever.

a recent example would be open water which was shot on a PD150 and vx2000.. and although i thought it was stupid.. it sold and and the filmmakers no longer have to shoot on a pd150. imagine if they hadnt done anything and just decided they dont have enough money for a cine alta and therefore filmmaking is too expensive and never made the film.


just get out there and do it bro. if your film is great the audience wont care what you shot it on, and neither will you as you sell it at sundance. happy shooting man.. kepp the spirits up.

 

[Luis Caffesse]

You most of you guys are just quick to jump on somoeone with a different opinion. People like Noah and Barry are understanding and offered more than just border line flames.

If my comments came across as border line flames I apologize.
That wasn't my intent, I may have just gotten a bit too into what I was writing...

What I'm commenting on is how the market is moving up and is leaving the people that helped create it behind. I'm not asking for the hvx to cost as much as a dvx I just wish the hvx actually shot HD for it's price.

Well I do to...but it's not going to happen.
Look at the price of an XL2... $5000.
The HVX gives you native 16:9, an improved lens (supposedly), and the upgrade path to be able to shoot 50Mb/s SD and 100Mb/s HD in the future. And, it will cost $1000 more than the XL2 does. I personally think that's worth it (as long as the image is there).

The HVX isn't an all in one package, in fact the more I read what you're writing the more it sounds like the perfect camera for someone like you. Granted you want HD now, everyone wants stuff now...but we can't all afford it. So, maybe you get the HVX when you can, and keep shooting DV with it for a little while until you can afford the FireStore or some P2 cards. It's a camera that can grow with you so that you don't have to go out and spend another 9.000 when you want to move up to HD.
I'm not trying to talk you into buying an HVX, just pointing out the other side of what you seem to see as a deficiency. I guess Panasonic could have packaged the camera with a couple of P2 cards and set the price at $9000. But then a lot of people wouldn't be able to afford it (myself included probably).

As my skill increases I want better tools, so does everyone else. It's normal.

Of course its normal to want new stuff, better stuff.

Does a ps2 cost much more than a ps1, some but not a ton when the ps1 was new. Does the ps2 do way more than the ps1? Yes. It's the same with computers, todays computers can do more than ever before, yet when yesterdays computers were new they cost roughly the same price.

With your thinking the hvx's upgrade in a few years should cost 11000 with no p2 cards.

Wrong.
By what you're saying we should assume that the HVX is an upgrade of the DVX.
It is not, it's a new camera marketed at a different level of user than the DVX.

The DVX upgrade does cost the same as a DVX used to cost (just like you said about computers). The DVX100B will be out in november, and it will list for $3995.

And, I'm sure when we see an HVX200A it will also cost $5995.

The HVX is not an upgrade of the DVX, it is a new camera in the Panasonic line.
It cost $2000 more than the next camera down the line (DVX), and that gives you native 16:9, better lens, possibly a better DSP (not sure about specifics until it's released) and the ability to upgrade to HD, 50Mb/s SD, 4:2:2, variable frame rates, etc.

If that isn't worth 2K to you, then I suggest waiting for the price to drop, or for the next camera to be released.

You want to bring up low budget film like El Mariachi? Well the print Rodriguez sold to Columbia cost him 7000 dollars to make. Someone on these boards quoted Jan as saying that the least expensive setup for HD on the hvx from panasonic is gonna be 8995(for hvx+four 4gb p2 cards). To shoot HD on hvx cost more than film? This is why I said low-budget filmmaking is not so low-budget anymore.

Okay, so El Mariachi wasn't a great example....don't know what I was thinking.
But regardless of my misquoting the budget...okay, fine, it cost 7K to make.
Who said you have to buy your camera? Who said you have to buy any of your gear?
Rodriguez borrowed his... had he bought that Arri his budget would have been a bit above 7k (same story with the Nagra he used to record his sound).

Can't afford it?
Rent it, borrow it...barter for it.

Money has always been an issue, and it will always be an issue.
But, if you can take away anything from Rodriguez it's use what you have and don't worry about what you can't afford.

Like I said, I've known more than one person who shot a movie on the DVX or the XL1s and found distribution. I realize you may feel as though the DVX is 'wasted' on you... and trust me I feel your pain (I'm still shooting with a DVX100, not 100a)....but trust me when I say that some day soon you'll be shooting on DVCProHD direct to disk and still complaining that those damn companies won't give you 4:4:4 or uncompressed for anything under $15,000.

That's the way it works.
We learn, we move up in gear, and we always want to reach the next rung up the ladder. Why aren't any of us complaining about the cost of the Viper? Or of the Varicam? Why, because most of us can't afford to buy one. We look at what is almost within our reach and then curse the people we think are responsible for keeping us from getting it.

If any of you guys or I were to buy an hvx in december what could we shoot with it out of the box without being attached to anything if you don't own any p2 cards?

16:9 DV

Yup, you're right.
If you don't buy P2 cards then you're shooting 16:9 DV.
And within 6 months you'll be able to shoot HD, variable frame rates, as well as DVCPro50 if you want to buy the firestore.

You sound as if there is no option. But there is, and the option is to buy P2 cards.
Yes, they are expensive. No we can't all afford them.

Oh well.
That's the way it goes.

This camera isn't aimed at someone who's shooting for themselves (in my opinion).
This camera is aimed at someone who is going to make money with it.

$2000 isn't that much in the context of one job.
A P2 card will pay for itself rather quickly, as long as you're getting paid to shoot.
And if you're not, well then...I guess we need to save up.

This market is the "PROSUMER" market, I don't want a studio camera, or a news camera. I want a semi professional camera like the dvx that shoots HD this isn't a crazy request. You guys are nuts if you think 10.5-11k Canadian to anyone is a prosumer price.

Prosumer is such a nonsense marketing word. It could mean so many things.
I think it's clear that this camera is not exactly a 'professional' camera, but it seems obvious that it is aimed at customers who will make money through it's use.
When looked at from that marketing perspective, just like the P2 cards, the cost of the camera is very affordable for what it offers you both immediately and in terms of an upgrade path for flexibility.

If HD is really gonna spread through the market it needs to hit a lot of people and most people are not pros. I don't get paid to use a dvx and wouldn't to use an hvx. It seems like the hvx assumes everyone is now a pro.

The HVX doesn't assume 'everone is now a pro.'
It assumes there are some lower level pros.

If panasonic thought everyone was a pro they wouldn't still make the DVX and every other camera below it.

So basically you seem upset that HD cameras are still too expensive for the prosumer. Well, that's the way technology goes. Wait another 2 years and let's see where things are.

And if you guys think that because hvx is too expensive or "too much cam" and I should stick to dv, that's bullshit because if you think and act like that HD will never become the new standard.

I don't think either of those things.
I think if you want to shoot with it, great...find one to borrow or rent if you can't afford it.

Did panasonic tell everyone that couldn't afford a dvx to go buy another companies ****? No they created the dvc30. I just wish there was an my hd dvc30 type with 24p. A mid-market camera.

Do you have any idea how long it took to get a halfway decent "prosumer" video camera? Things weren't always the way they are now. HD is barely here and already you expect to see a "affordable" mid market HD camera with 24P?
This year has given us the first decent HD cameras below the $50,000 range.
Have a little patience. Prices have already plummeted... sorry they didn't drop enough for you yet, but they will.

And by the way, like you mentioned, Panasonic created the DVC30 AFTER they made the DVX. The HVX isn't even out yet and already you expect them to come out with a lower tier model? Not going to happen. Give it some time.

In the meantime, borrow, rent or steal (i'm kididng about the stealing obviously).
Or shoot DV. It's everybit as good as it was last year and the year before that.

My idea is this: have a dvx-like 24p hdv camcorder that records to tape, have it cost 6000. The have the hvx and only offer it in a package with a firestore for like 8500, or with p2 cards for 8999 or for 9999 with even bigger p2 cards.

Sounds great except for the fact that Panasonic probably won't make an HDV Camera. But again, give it time and I'm sure you'll see your HD DVC30 equivalent... but you're at least going to have to wait for the HVX to be released first.

 

[J.R. Hudson]

... imagine if they hadnt done anything and just decided they dont have enough money for a cine alta and therefore filmmaking is too expensive and never made the film.

Well put. :beer:

 

[J.R. Hudson]

Lol Awesome

ome on man just because I'm college age doesn't mean it's fair for you to throw that **** back in my face, this has nothing to do with being a college student. It's just the reason that I don't work a 9-5 and do filmmaking on the side, it's the reason that I happen to be too poor to afford this. I'm sure that plenty of other people find the hvx too expensive just like me and they probably aren't in college. So being a college student is irrelevant, the problem is money. I'm not asking anyone to make a "COLLEGE FILMMAKERS CAMERA" that shoots every digital and film format imaginable and has a cupon for a lifetime of free lab processing should I need it.

Dude. The camera is out of your league. Just accept it. I can't afford a Hummer but I'm not gonna complain about it or start a crusade saying it's not fair. And here's a news break:

I CANT AFFORD THE HVX either.

I'm not gonna moan about it. "Oh woe is me. I can't afford to shoot on this camera."

There's a ton of other cameras I can't afford to shoot on either. So tell us:

What is your point?

 

[Isaac_Brody]

Dude it really sounds like you're whining. There's four HD cams to choose from. A year ago we had no affordable HD options and today we can pick and choose to our hearts content. A new cam won't give you talent. And what you're asking for isn't realistic. You're basically asking Panasonic to lose money on their investment. I'm glad Panasonic gave us another option besides HDV.

From what you're saying it sounds like you're angry because you can't afford to buy an HVX just to have it. Which is understandable, because a lot of people were able to afford the DVX when they didn't need it to make a living. I remember seeing a lot of ads from people saying the camera had been sitting in their closet for six months and only six hours of footage had been shot. The HVX is priced to cut out the casual toy buyer. If you have a need for the HVX, you'll get one and it'll soon pay for itself. But if you don't, it's a lot harder to casually buy and have a brand new camera to play with.

You gotta remember that this is HD. It's fairly new, we've never had the option at this price level, and it'll take some time before all the technology trickles down to Joe consumer.

 

[Luis Caffesse]

That's a long way to go for a joke John.

 

[fomoDVXpal]

leave the guy alone guys!

honestly, why in the hell does the HVX have a tape drive anyway? it's an HD camera. they shoulda implemented HDV or forgot about it all together and making it much lighter.

the DVX was released how many years ago? DV is yesterday. the HVX IS in effect the replacement of the DVX. it ain't cheaper cos it's such damn good spec of a camera!! the price will come down when others release HD cameras. but for now the HVX looks like an amazing peice of equipment for the price.

p.s you can win the Cannes Palm D'Or with DV...it has been done before hasn't it?