AG-DVX200 4K Large-Sensor Handheld Camcorder
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It's why I didn't actually believe it at first. D = standard def, V = tape, and X = 24p. Only one of those things applies.
But they may be trying to invoke the massive goodwill associated with the DVX100. And it makes the name "DVX" relevant again.
philiplipetz
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I don't think I saw this here. The sensor is a native 4k resolution, raising the possibility of enhanced DR and greater base ISO when compared to the GH4.
filmguy123
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Ugh.
This is a fine camera for what it is, but it is not a Pro GH4 or an Af100 successor... once again...
Anyone who says "you don't need..", you are wrong. I know exactly what I need. I need a GH4 in an AF100 body with better lowligth and DR. 12 stops of DR isn't that good, and what happen to the rumored ISO improvents. And what the frick is so hard about just making an AF100.
if panny just made this with M43 and NDs the world would be good:
http://nofilmschool.com/2015/04/bla...r-ursa-mini-46k-sensor-15-stops-dynamic-range
Instead they become more irrelevant with each passing year. I swear they are just trying to shoot themselves in the foot, or assume what ENG style shooters want when we talk about an AF200. I get the reasoning here, I really do. "ENG style shooters have focus problems and don't need faster than f/2.8 anyway", don't really need wider, etc. Bull. These are not going to sell like hot cakes. I am an ENG shooter and I WANT the hassle of changing lenses. I think most people who shoot cimeatically and artisitically have long since moved on from fixed lens cameras for a lot of very good reason. I have a lens belt for ENG. I'm fast. I shoot live events with manual focus at f/0.95 sometimes. And I don't want to bounce between a GH4 and a DVX200. No, no, no. I and many others told you what we wanted multiple times. An AF200.
I would be thrilled about a DVX200 if they also released an AF200. But this is just not good enough and I'm sick of waiting on Panny.
Sony FS7 it is.
Most disappointing Panny announcement ever, after all that build up. They literally have nothing even close to a midrange pro offering to compete with anything from Sony, Canon, or Blackmagic. Just pathetic.
This is a fine camera for what it is, but it is not a Pro GH4 or an Af100 successor... once again...
Anyone who says "you don't need..", you are wrong. I know exactly what I need. I need a GH4 in an AF100 body with better lowligth and DR. 12 stops of DR isn't that good, and what happen to the rumored ISO improvents. And what the frick is so hard about just making an AF100.
if panny just made this with M43 and NDs the world would be good:
http://nofilmschool.com/2015/04/bla...r-ursa-mini-46k-sensor-15-stops-dynamic-range
Instead they become more irrelevant with each passing year. I swear they are just trying to shoot themselves in the foot, or assume what ENG style shooters want when we talk about an AF200. I get the reasoning here, I really do. "ENG style shooters have focus problems and don't need faster than f/2.8 anyway", don't really need wider, etc. Bull. These are not going to sell like hot cakes. I am an ENG shooter and I WANT the hassle of changing lenses. I think most people who shoot cimeatically and artisitically have long since moved on from fixed lens cameras for a lot of very good reason. I have a lens belt for ENG. I'm fast. I shoot live events with manual focus at f/0.95 sometimes. And I don't want to bounce between a GH4 and a DVX200. No, no, no. I and many others told you what we wanted multiple times. An AF200.
I would be thrilled about a DVX200 if they also released an AF200. But this is just not good enough and I'm sick of waiting on Panny.
Sony FS7 it is.
Most disappointing Panny announcement ever, after all that build up. They literally have nothing even close to a midrange pro offering to compete with anything from Sony, Canon, or Blackmagic. Just pathetic.
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Darren Levine
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wow, it's just all about you, isn't it?
You seriously just said that 1000s of people are wrong, and that this camera isn't professional because it doesn't have what you want.
Seriously, step back and realize there's a world out there, and you're a spec in it
Sure it will... I tested my brevis35 with the ol' GH2 years ago. It'll work, with just as much convenience and simplicity as it always has!
Completely with you filmguy. This is kind of like Apple's initial FCPX rollout. Neat enough product, but definitely not what I needed.
Completely with you filmguy. This is kind of like Apple's initial FCPX rollout. Neat enough product, but definitely not what I needed.
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filmguy123
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to be precise, I said that people who say "you don't need..." are wrong. Not people who like what this camera has to offer. Very different.
I am a spec in this world, and there are a WHOLE bunch more specs like me who I am sure would echo this. I have no problem with this camera, I have a problem with the missing camera that wasn't announced.
Mike Harvey
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Well... I don't want to have to carry a lens belt.
And besides, a lot of folks may want the look of shallow DoF, but not the hassle of multiple lenses. I just spent a month shooting in remote parts of Vietnam on my GH4. I love the camera, but the headache of constantly messing with multiple lenses was a pain. When I shoot a surgery in an OR, there is no way I can go fast enough switching lenses at times, and I'm severely restricted in where I can move to get the right shot (I can literally kill someone if I have an off day). This will be a God-send. This is a pro level, jack of all trades camera. The lens isn't wide enough, but something tells me there will be wide angle adapters before too long. If I absolutely need 4:2:2, there are now numerous recorders on the market for fairly cheap. It won't be for some folks, and it does appear Panasonic has written off a certain segment of the market. But that segment has always been a niche that is more and more saturated. This has the potential to create it's own niche that appeals to a relatively wide array of folks that no one else is competing in. It seams to be as much a replacement for the AC130/160 as it does the AF100, and it allows me to replace two different cameras with one.
I said before, I get the point of the camera, but that isn't the point where I happen to be in my career. The GH/AF could always choose to wear a 14-140 for single-lens work. I don't relish a return to the days of hunting for a wide angle or teleconverter lens that isn't choc full of abberrations, or positioning an interview subject waaaaaaaaay the heck back in the room to defocus a background enough with a slow lens. And also from the looks of Matt Allard handling the thing (not a small man), its more HPX250-beefy than HMC150 svelte. It's absolutely strange to think that JVC currently offers a better upgrade option to me at this point than Panasonic.
It will do lots of wonderful work for lots of folks, I'm certain, but I'll be doing mine on an FS7.
It will do lots of wonderful work for lots of folks, I'm certain, but I'll be doing mine on an FS7.
And I think we've stumbled onto the right answer.
If GH5 is coming out the next year, Panasonic doesn't want these two products - GH5 and AF-200 - cannibalizing each other's sales.
Mike Harvey
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I do get where you're coming from... but it should be pointed out that the 14-140 is f4 at it's fastest. This camera will be f4.5 at it's slowest. I personally have to shoot most interviews at f4 on my AF100 or GH4 because the subject too often goes out of focus from normal head bobbing. Also, the lens at the wide end will be roughly equivalent to that of the HMC150, which is pretty dang wide for a fixed lens camera. And the 14-140 doesn't have a servo zoom or even half the reach.
Like I said, I do get where you're coming from, and I find it puzzling why they didn't just come out with an AF200 with this sensor and AVC-Ultra. It does seem like they have written off a segment of the market. Both that camera, and the DVX200, would have done well. But my bet is a lot of AF100 owners... as well as HMC150, AC130, and AC160 owners... will probably be more than happy with this camera.
I'd like to know what the advantages would be to get this camera over the PX270. Aside from resolution, the PX has a longer lens and 10-bit color.
Just curious what all your thoughts are on the differences. They'll both come in around the same price- what gives?
I've been such a sucker for the DVX100B I've been itching for a camera like this to come out.
Just curious what all your thoughts are on the differences. They'll both come in around the same price- what gives?
I've been such a sucker for the DVX100B I've been itching for a camera like this to come out.
Bassman2003
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They may be hiding this as it seems to be a downfall of the camera so far. AVCHD for HD recording was mentioned in the News Shooter video. Really? I could not believe I was hearing this. Feakin' AVCHD! The AF-100 used AVCHD and it was already tired by then. I sincerely hope there are better options to chose from as Panasonic should be embarrassed if they are leading with AVCHD in a 2015 camera release. I guess they assume you will shoot everything in 4k to get better color in HD footage.
Bassman2003
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The PX270 has 1/3" sensors and the DVX200 has a micro 4/3rds sensor. That is the largest difference. The depth of field will be much shallower shooting with the DVX200. The PX270 is a lot closer to the DVX100 than the DVX200. The advantage of the DVX200 is the look of the images due to the larger sensor. That is it. If you do not need this look go for the PX270. End of story.