AG-DVX200 4K Large-Sensor Handheld Camcorder

mcbob said:
Equivalent DOF from 1/2.3" sensor w/ f1.6 lens = ~f8.3
Equivalent DOF from 4/3 sensor with 2.3x crop (derived from stated equivalent focal length) w/ f2.8 lens = ~f6.4

That's only a bit over a half stop difference (or something like that...)
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If I am doing run and gun I do not want shallow depth of field. I know that is the be all and end all to a lot of people but it is an effect that has its place, just as deep DOF does. Sometimes getting the shot is more important than shallow DOF. There are other ways to focus the eye. They may take more skill but they work.
 
pulpfiction007 said:
Not really a PX270 if they don't include the codecs.
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No, but shooting 4k and downresing can make up for a little bit of that. However, if it has the low light sensor tech of the PX270 (which, on an m4/3 camera means even better low light abilities than the PX270's 1/3 sensor), and gives me the option to record out to a 10:2:2 recorder, I'm fine with that if it's under $5k, and I don't need to worry about swapping lenses anymore. The key is going to be how it does in low light...
 
Waiting to hear more about it but the lack of P2 is my only let down for this camera. Why not use the AVC-Ultra codecs with the P2 cards to reward the people who have committed to Panasonic as customers? Now you have to buy and carry different SD cards (unless it will read micro P2 cards) and possibly lose the 10bit 4:2:2 color info. I am happy about the rest though. Basically this is not a "cinema" camera, but there are plenty of cinema cameras out there...
 
The quality of this camera comes down to its low light capabilities. Photodiode size and circuits should be improved compared to a GH4 and even the used sensor size in 4k should be bigger. The lens should have a constant aperture of f3.5 over a long zoom range - expect DOF and low light being at least as good if not better at that aperture compared to a GH4 with a f2.8 zoom. This camera is not really cinematic and is not meant to be - but it could be very useful in many aspects.
 
"no dust in the sensor (I do a lot of travel work)"

I have recently seen an increase number of people having sensor contamination issues..a valid point for harsh(er) conditions.
But revolutionary? Hmmm. And apparently the revolution will be wearing a mix of bad phone skins ;)
 
philiplipetz said:
If I am doing run and gun I do not want shallow depth of field. I know that is the be all and end all to a lot of people but it is an effect that has its place, just as deep DOF does. Sometimes getting the shot is more important than shallow DOF. There are other ways to focus the eye. They may take more skill but they work.
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Sure. I could always put a 14–140 on my AF and get deep focus. I'll never be able to put a f2 or faster lens on this for shallow focus. I like M43 as a happy medium between small sensor land and full frame land, and that flexibility is hampered by fixed lenses.
 
mcbob said:
Sure. I could always put a 14–140 on my AF and get deep focus. I'll never be able to put a f2 or faster lens on this for shallow focus. I like M43 as a happy medium between small sensor land and full frame land, and that flexibility is hampered by fixed lenses.
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If you have a lens collection and prefer to shoot interchangeable this camera obviously is not meant for you. You have about a dozen interesting options out there. The interestin of this camera is, that it's a potent all in one solution.
 
roxics said:
After the USRA Mini announcement today it's hard to get excited about a camera like this.
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The URSA mini is going after a different market. Me, personally, the reason I've been complaining about the lack of AVC-LongG in this and another thread is that it hits a great sweet spot... 10bit 4:2:2 in a small file size. The URSA Mini looks like a great camera for certain environments. But an awful lot of people aren't in those environments. I'm shooting 100+ medical provider bio videos over a two week period in June for a hospital system. Dealing with anything over 50mb/s is going to be a huge pain in the rear because of the file size and shear volume of footage. The DVX200 would be great for that scenario.

This is, basically, a mash up of the X1000 and the PX270 with an improved m4/3 sensor. That's huge for some folks. It won't be for everyone. But not everyone needs the URSA's raw capabilities, or removable lenses. Personally, I love the m4/3 sensor size, but always juggling 2-3 lenses while on the go is a huge pain in my rear. I've missed shots because I couldn't swap lenses during run-and-gun stuff fast enough

This is going to be a jack of all trades camera. There is a market need for that type of camera. But jack of all trades means master of none. There are trade offs for everything (which is why I won't be getting rid of the GH4 anytime soon... itself a series of trade offs).
 
8bit 4:2:0, should be closer to 3k usd than 5K. The new Canon XC10 has 8bit 4:2:2 option for under 2500.00 USD
 
"The company is previewing the AK-UB300 4K multi-purpose camera for remote studio, weather and traffic reporting, image magnification and sports implementations."

Hear that folks, if you are into weather and traffic reporting, THIS IS THE CAMERA YOU HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR!
 
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i don't understand why they went with a fixed lens. Could't they develop something like 12-50/2.8 and rather opt for a m43 mount so that customers could use either video-friendly lens or some speedy Voigtlanders or Veydra's?
The same lens could have been sold to video-oriented gh4 owners.

It seems Panasonic doesn't see much future in developing cine-lenses and/or entry level video cameras in m43 mount, pity...
 
Well it seems like a nice handy-cam. I owned a DVX100 and it was great in its time. I owned an HMC150 Ditto. But I know for sure I would have a hard time selling this to my clients. I know that I could never shoot for any USA networks with it and not the BBC. 4.2.0 and 8 bit is a no go . I was hoping that Panasonic would come to NAB with something really new. Maybe next year. And am I alone in wondering about an April release of a camera that is suggested to be available in the Fall of 2015 (September 23 for me).
 
ugafan said:
"The company is previewing the AK-UB300 4K multi-purpose camera for remote studio, weather and traffic reporting, image magnification and sports implementations."

Hear that folks, if you are into weather and traffic reporting, THIS IS THE CAMERA YOU HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR!
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It's not meant to be shooter's camera. It's a remote camera.

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Everyone assumes the DVX200 is 4:2:0 like the GH4, but I have not seen any specification. Similarly, everyone assumes this is the GH4 sensor but I have not seen any specification. There are other unused MTF sensors already announced.
 
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