AFTER CLASS - snodart & Tim Young
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jeremytuttle
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preston said:
He he, I saw that when I was doing frame grabs of people's movies. Crushing the blacks on that shot could fix that. Actually I didn't even notice any of these things mentioned when I watched any of these movies even Jack's way back when. I got pulled into the stories (as any good movie should do) and then I don't notice stuff like that.
Dahopafilms
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Holy smokes! Another great one.
Loved your choice of coloration (almost tending to sepia to me, but not). The actors were great - especially the kids. Nice simple story - makes one think. That's good.
Wasn't too keen on the choice on the closing music - but that's a personal choice based mainly on hearing that way too many times played on bagpipes.
Very, very nice. Well done. Thank you.
Loved your choice of coloration (almost tending to sepia to me, but not). The actors were great - especially the kids. Nice simple story - makes one think. That's good.
Wasn't too keen on the choice on the closing music - but that's a personal choice based mainly on hearing that way too many times played on bagpipes.
Very, very nice. Well done. Thank you.
theprettiestsister
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My sister told me I should watch this one. I had more reaction to this one than all the others I watched. That BASTARD! It kept me interested.
nitramlehcar
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This was an excellent and highly evocative film. You did an amazing job. Can't wait to see what you do next.
~oooh...Preston's in trouble....
~oooh...Preston's in trouble....
Chris Messineo
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This was another one of my favorites.
This film had a wonderful mood. The story was very simple and touching. The ending felt perfect to me. I really liked the young actor. He had a great sense of melancholy.
Well done.
This film had a wonderful mood. The story was very simple and touching. The ending felt perfect to me. I really liked the young actor. He had a great sense of melancholy.
Well done.
snodart
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Thanks for the new comments all.
The reflection in those sunglasses is hot. I would have never noticed it. In fact, I bet that nice reflection is what helped Bonehand to the top
Just FYI, After Class is now up on my site:
http://snodart.com/shorts.php
Thanks for a great contest!
Man, I wanted one of those rigs... looks like I'll have to build one now :happy:
The reflection in those sunglasses is hot. I would have never noticed it. In fact, I bet that nice reflection is what helped Bonehand to the top
Just FYI, After Class is now up on my site:
http://snodart.com/shorts.php
Thanks for a great contest!
Man, I wanted one of those rigs... looks like I'll have to build one now :happy:
Website looks great, Nice and clean.
Can you update mine now. :laugh:
Still need to add rekindled and change some copy.
Can you update mine now. :laugh:
Still need to add rekindled and change some copy.
heheh :grin:
At the rate I'm going - you're on!
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At the rate I'm going - you're on!
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I am so late to this one... but I got here. Sorry guys.
I did read through a few reviews because it's been so long, I wanted to see what everyone else said.
I am amazed at the cinematic value of the entire short. It looks great, feels great. Sounds great.
I am, however, disheartened that the story lacked. After reading a few things that people said only after I viewed, I have to agree and thought the same thing: The story wasn't enough for me. And by the end of this, I found myself going "What was it about?".
If you were going to venture into the mean-spirited Christian teacher as your main character, why didn't you focus completely on him from beginning to end? At this point, it's predictable and had no impact on me what-so-ever. I'd like to think that if I were brought into Concannon's character from the get-go instead of being tuned into a device (the bird egg), I would've had a lot more to think about by the end of the six minutes.
I think that you guys did a great job visually, and I see that it came out how you wanted so great job on that as well. I, personally, had issues with the story itself.
Sorry I got here so late!
I did read through a few reviews because it's been so long, I wanted to see what everyone else said.
I am amazed at the cinematic value of the entire short. It looks great, feels great. Sounds great.
I am, however, disheartened that the story lacked. After reading a few things that people said only after I viewed, I have to agree and thought the same thing: The story wasn't enough for me. And by the end of this, I found myself going "What was it about?".
If you were going to venture into the mean-spirited Christian teacher as your main character, why didn't you focus completely on him from beginning to end? At this point, it's predictable and had no impact on me what-so-ever. I'd like to think that if I were brought into Concannon's character from the get-go instead of being tuned into a device (the bird egg), I would've had a lot more to think about by the end of the six minutes.
I think that you guys did a great job visually, and I see that it came out how you wanted so great job on that as well. I, personally, had issues with the story itself.
Sorry I got here so late!
snodart
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PaPa, we used a full blue Chimera screen on the soft box to match the 5500K china balls (and the daylight). Here it is at B & H if you are interested. Compared to the standard softbox screen that we use when lighting with all tungstens (3200K), the full blue screen cut out a ton of light. We still used it as a very very light fill for most shots, but just FYI.
Kholi, thanks for the comments. We tried something a little different with the story for this one and I think it just struck out with most viewers. I wish I could watch it with fresh eyes as a first time viewer to see for myself. All the comments have been a great help of course, so thanks. Tim and I have talked a good deal about the comments and have decided to focus our attention on storytelling. We have some DVD's, books, and interviews in the line up to get us rolling
I'm pretty sure we are sitting out for spyfest to finish up a few things, but we should be ready to bang out a nice little story after some learnin'. I don't know though.... It is so tempting to start working on a spyfest entry... :huh:
Kholi, thanks for the comments. We tried something a little different with the story for this one and I think it just struck out with most viewers. I wish I could watch it with fresh eyes as a first time viewer to see for myself. All the comments have been a great help of course, so thanks. Tim and I have talked a good deal about the comments and have decided to focus our attention on storytelling. We have some DVD's, books, and interviews in the line up to get us rolling
I'm pretty sure we are sitting out for spyfest to finish up a few things, but we should be ready to bang out a nice little story after some learnin'. I don't know though.... It is so tempting to start working on a spyfest entry... :huh:
IBEJohnson
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Maybe I've become soft in my old age (I'm 28), but I no longer look for the 'perfect' short film. I've seen so many short films at festivals and on the net (I've even made one or two myselfsnodart said:
rogar-Evil(DBG) that were HORRIBLE. Bad writing, bad acting, amateur camera work, etc. When I see something as neatly packaged as this, I am usually surprised. To me, After Class was a success on many different levels. A) Its was visually pleasing. The camera work was simple, yet appropriate for the story. The addition of a shallow DOF enabled you to achieve a very filmic quality. B) It was cut together well. The pacing was just right. C) The acting was believable, which is D) a direct reflection on the director(s). When I sit back and view this I can say to myself "OK, these guys can make a movie. With the right story, I might pay to watch one of their features".But that's the key - story. For Kholi this was apparently a deal-killer. To an extent, I agree. I didn't love the story. But what stuck out most was that you chose not to overdo anything. Writing is VERY difficult. Writing short stories and screenplays only magnifies that difficulty. In my opinion, there are far too many indie filmmakers directing/producing their own scripts, but they don't know how to write. There is nothing about this story that makes me certain that Tim & Justin fall into that category. Yes, I did feel the story was the weakest link, but it was controlled. I equate this to a singer that knows how stay within her vocal range. She may not have Aretha Franklin's voice, but she's not trying to do what Aretha can do. Eventually, with a lot of practice, she may reach that level. So many filmmakers can't grasp this concept. They are trying to write comedy and they don't know how to write funny, they are trying to write drama and they don't know how to write emotion, OR worst of all, they are trying to write cool and their name isn't Quentin Tarantino.
Of course, in this case, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you guys shouldn't be directing your own stories. That's up to you to decide. As long as we are in the world of short films, it doesn't really matter. It's when it comes time to do a feature that you really need to step back and look objectively at it because at that point it is also a financial decision as well as a creative one.
I'm afraid this became a bit of a rant. My intention was to make a simple point: After Class was better than 90% of the short films I've seen. Keep it up!
Eric
These are two different movies in one
The adult actor is in a comedy, and the kid is in a drama
what did he squash? a rock? so?...
do me a favor... kids today would kick a teacher like that in the nuts
That teacher guy was a really bad actor in my taste
the kid has real star quality and is an excellent actor
but, he hardly said anything so...
I didn't get the story and I think you should rethink that whole movie
The adult actor is in a comedy, and the kid is in a drama
what did he squash? a rock? so?...
do me a favor... kids today would kick a teacher like that in the nuts
That teacher guy was a really bad actor in my taste
the kid has real star quality and is an excellent actor
but, he hardly said anything so...
I didn't get the story and I think you should rethink that whole movie
Tim Young
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dangal said:
thanks for watching, and for the good comments about jake. we thought he did a great job as well. sorry to hear that you didn't like the short overall, though. if you thought that there was a discrepancy between the two performances, i think that's more of a reflection of the writing and direction, and i (along with justin) take full responsibility for that. in my opinion, your conclusion about david as an actor is unfair and untrue. we, however, are admittedly inexperienced and are in the process of learning how to direct good actors like dave.
thanks again for the comments.
IBEJohnson
Well-known member
dangal said:
I rarely engage myself in disputes on this site, especially when it is one regarding nothing more than opinion, but in this case, I can't help it...
Dangal, you are waaay off base. Did you even pay attention to the movie? Comedy? If you said he over-played the role and you felt that his intensity seemed a bit unnatural or forced I may or may not agree with you, but at the very least I would respect that you had a thought-provoking opinion. And can you please explain to me how he would have squished a rock? Did that thought really travel though your mind as you were watching this? Sadly, I believe it did. Seriously dude, pay attention. And even if kids these days would kick a teacher in the nuts (a ridiculous statement in and of itself), the key words are THESE DAYS. I don't know how many times I have to say this, but... PAY ATTENTION. The scene took place in a 1-room schoolhouse. How many kids do you know that still go to school in a 1-room schoolhouse?
Dangal, if you want to critique someone's work at least have the common decency to pay close enough attention to what it is you're watching that you can speak on it with some manner of credibility. If you find that person's work so dull that you can't even manage the energy to sit through it without your mind wandering, then move on and keep your opinions to yourself.
so it was an egg right?IBEJohnson said:
I felt bad after what u told me so I watched it again.
It's hard to understand that it's an egg I really thought it was a rock.
And just that you know I was very focused when I watched it and wasn't bored in the least bit.
I guess I didn't make myself clear enough.
I think the only problem with this film which other then this problem looks excellent in all respects really, is that actor. I don't think it's his falt I think it's a casting issue. That guy really doesn't look the type of guy who is a strict teacher who beats his students.
Let me explain myself more thuroughly (I don't know how to spell that so forgive me). He is a little fat, has no muscle, looks a bit goofy and has kinda long hair. Not the old fasioned buzz cut health crazed fanatic who used to beat kids in school. pluss he looks a bit young for the job.
As a viewer I felt I was trying to convinse myself to believe that this guy is capable of what he is doing there. And also that that kid would take it from this young nerd (pardon my french) who looks like he can be his older brother.
I think IBE that you should take a look at the movie again and think for a second that you are watching a comedy. You will quickly see that I am right about him.
And to sum up, I think with a different (older, more old army veteran looking actor) this movie would have been e x c e l l e n t
BTW where excactly in the movie do we see that it is a one roomed school? no where.
also I would have understood that it was an egg if
1. He would have looked up to see if he can see a nest.
2. when the teacher squashed it there would have been some yoke on the napkin.
3. well...yeah
also one problem with the cinematography. heads are being cut out all the time, kinda bothered me
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deputy_dog
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First off great movie, I thoroughly enjoyed it.
David I thought did a great job (as did both kids). Everyone seemed to fit the role for me. David looked like he could be the jerk of a teacher in the movie with the greasy hair and arrogant attitude. Definitely reminded me of a few teachers I had... an older militaryesque character wouldve been too Full Metal Jacket.
And I caught on that it was an egg when you showed the shot of the egg. Who holds a rock in a napkin anyways...
The story as a whole seemed to work for me, but it felt more like a 6 minute part of a larger movie. Very well shot and very well lighted though. Heads and shoulders above most other shorts I've seen.
David I thought did a great job (as did both kids). Everyone seemed to fit the role for me. David looked like he could be the jerk of a teacher in the movie with the greasy hair and arrogant attitude. Definitely reminded me of a few teachers I had... an older militaryesque character wouldve been too Full Metal Jacket.
And I caught on that it was an egg when you showed the shot of the egg. Who holds a rock in a napkin anyways...
The story as a whole seemed to work for me, but it felt more like a 6 minute part of a larger movie. Very well shot and very well lighted though. Heads and shoulders above most other shorts I've seen.