Affordable camera with internal 10bit 422 4K?
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SJX
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Fair enough. But I think if a camera is popular people will be talk and suggest often. Like the FS5 is, the FS7 is, the GH5 is and now the Fuji. Never hear the DVX200 being brought up much in comparison. A bit like that JVC 300. Actually don't hear EVA that much either but way more than DVX200 at least. I honestly thought DVX200 was discontinued already. If I decide go down to m43 and waste all my lenses I already have and not have good AF, the DVX200 on paper sounds better than GH5 for my needs. Problem is looking at footages I can't find anything look as good as GH5 from the DVX200. But my main issue with going m43 at this point is not anymore the smaller sensor. Is bad low light, bad AF and having to use adapters to make things work.
SJX
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You must know I have a F35. The "best" cinema camera in the world. So I'm not in a hurry to buy this. If it's not MUCH easier to use than F35, gives many advantages, there is no point in buying it. The more things the camera need that I also need with F35, like external NDs, rigging etc the less interesting the camera is for me. Because then I use my beautiful F35.
Run&Gun
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One of my network clients(Mitch probably knows who) has a ton of these things for their producers(that don’t use them and foist them on us to use). The image is okay, but the camera has all the usual drawbacks of a small fixed-lens camcorder, including horrible VF and lens control. Not really a fault of the camera itself(it was designed the way it was designed), just pisses me off to no end when I have to shoot with it instead of my VariCam.
SJX
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So the servo lens is not advantage in your opinion compared to manual photo zooms? What makes image only ok in your opinion?
Run&Gun
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A servo zoom isn’t a disadvantage probably in the way that you’re thinking. A FIXED servo zoom IS, compared to a fully manual servo ENG lens. The fixed lenses have the God-Awful focus rings that have no stops and behave very strangely compared to real lenses. The rotation and range adjust depending on the focal length. Macro is also a menu adjustment. It’s also easy to get stuck in some weird auto modes that take over the iris when you think you’re in manual. They also “iris ramp” pretty quickly. Something else that irks the ever loving hell out of me, when you white balance, the camera doesn’t tell you the temp. It just says OK. To me, these cameras are built for people who don’t really want to be photographers. Basically reporters or producers who are forced to shoot, not real photographers that know WTF they’re doing. A good camera should get out of your way and just let you shoot. Cameras like these are always in my way. The only good use for them, that I’ve found, is in gang-bang post situations and you have one on a monopod and you can fenagle it into spots and over people that you can’t with a regular ENG camera.
Regarding the image: if you need to shoot a press conference, the image is fine(color, contrast, sharpness), but if you need to shoot a feature, “pretty interview” or have fine control of your camer/lens, I’d take any of my 2/3” cams over it any day. I own a C300 and F55, too, I’m just trying to paint the picture that almost any other real camera is better to shoot with if you want fine control.
SJX
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So the lens can't go full real manual? If I remember well even EX1 did this. 10 years ago!
Well thanks for your feedback. Saved me time from going into store or rental house and testing one for nothing. This is why is good to hear from people who used it. Quick in house tests show nothing useful. The faults you list plus I don't need to film only press conferences this camera is not for me. I need it to look pretty too for different things. Maybe not features as this I use F35. But pretty interviews, nice corporates , occasional music video etc. This is probably why I didn't find as good images as GH5 from DVX200 online. Thanks again for feedback.
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Run&Gun
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Yeah, even “full manual”, the focus is still ‘fly-by-wire’ and the iris, too. The only thing fully mechanical is the zoom. Again, these cameras were designed to just hand someone that doesn’t fully know what they’re doing and still be able to get acceptable(in the tv news sense) results.
Yes, if you hand me that camera I can get better results out of it than someone that doesn’t know what they’re doing, but those results are not going to be as good as what I can get out of my big-boy cameras, more easily and with less effort.
Would I buy one as a primary camera? No. But if it was only $1500 instead of $3500, it might be worth having one stuck under the back seat just in-case, if my ENG camera went down on an ENG shoot. And if I was a news-dog. Those types of cameras were very popular for that 10-15 years ago with a lot of the network guys as emergency back-ups and b/c cameras for 2/3”.
Yes, if you hand me that camera I can get better results out of it than someone that doesn’t know what they’re doing, but those results are not going to be as good as what I can get out of my big-boy cameras, more easily and with less effort.
Would I buy one as a primary camera? No. But if it was only $1500 instead of $3500, it might be worth having one stuck under the back seat just in-case, if my ENG camera went down on an ENG shoot. And if I was a news-dog. Those types of cameras were very popular for that 10-15 years ago with a lot of the network guys as emergency back-ups and b/c cameras for 2/3”.
SJX
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Really surprised lens can't go full manual. Am I imagining that EX1 can do it? I haven't used EX1 for many years now. I think last time was 2011 or something. But I remember it could. Maybe I'm wrong. But yes for $1500 it would be worth as a b cam. But they are already selling used for about $2500 so maybe in 1 or 2 years they will be $1500.
Run&Gun
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If that's the camera I'm thinking of, I believe it was actually a special/purpose built Fuji lens that worked in either a fly-by-wire system or Canon L style lens that is mechanical, but has a clutch/slip system that lets the ring spin with no hard-stops so that the AF system can take over at anytime(or you manually take over at any time from AF) AND then you could pull or push the focus ring forward or backwards(never used it so don't remember which) and it locked the ring/focus system into a fully manual system with hard stops. That's how I understood it to work anyway.