AF100 / AF101 - initial report

Joe Lawry said:
Do we know officially what magnification you get with this camera and nikon lenses yet? sorry if this has already been confirmed.
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Depends on what you're comparing it to.

As compared to a 35mm movie camera, it has a Cinema Crop Factor of 1.18.

As compared to a 35mm still camera (aka "full frame"), it has a Crop Factor of 2.0.
 
Cheers, i was comparing it to 35mm still.

definitely going to want to keep a tokina 11-16mm 2.8 handy.. if not wider.
 
Joe Lawry said:
definitely going to want to keep a tokina 11-16mm 2.8 handy.. if not wider.
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As said before, Panasonic has a 7mm-14mm zoom if you want a wide, wide zoom. It's f/4, which is only a stop slower than the Tokina, but it's a lot wider, so if you need wide, it's a possibility.
 
I'm sorry but I want to get this right while the topic is up, kinda. I'm very confused about something.

I get that FF35 is the stills standard, (5D) and mft is close to s35 which is the motion picture standard. I get that the crop is different from full frame to half frame, for stills lenses.

My question is, which crop should I pick? Is a cinema lens 50 different than a stills 50? does a stills 50 give the same fov as a cine 50 on a motion picture camera's frame? I'm confused. I get the crop factor, but i don't know which crop i'm working with. My objective is to match motion picture frame, or half frame as i read, and that would mean i'm cropping for 1.18 when i pick glass? very confused, i don't even know if this question belongs here, sorry.

all the best, congrats on the af100 panny, and congrats and thanks to barry for using it and sharing all this insight.

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I'm sorry again, I think you explained pretty darn clearly when you said 'cinema crop factor', but i just wanna be sure. You break things down really, really well.

So if i finally found a 24, and i'm out to make a movie that looks like it was shot in s35, i'm gonna treat that lens like a 28? ish? like a 24x1.18?
 
Barry_Green said:
That's exactly what I mean. That's what I shot. I shot a bunch of 32fps, 34fps, 40fps, 44fps, and 60fps stuff in 1080.

What it won't do is "live"-looking 1080/60p. But it will do 1080/24p @ up to 60fps, or 1080/30p @ up to 60fps, or 1080/25p @ up to 50fps.

Plus, it has 720p mode with VFR too.

So yes, it's 1920x1080 @ 60fps recording, with playback at 24p or 30p.
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It will be the first professional camcorder able to shoot such a frame rate at FullHD resolution...
If no line-doubling or some other interpolation technique is applied I think this new sensor has a huge work to do.
A great and unique feature, anyway.

Oh, BTW, any info about sensor's scanning mode?
I mean: does it line-skip as in HDSLRs or does it scan the full 12 Mpixel area for a later downconversion to 1920x1080?
 
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I AGREE
 
Will it also use the 170/150 batteries? Any specs on the minimums for the SDHC or SDXC cards?

That's great news on using the controls from the 150 and such. That would be a great bonus as well.

You are doing an amazingly admirable job and I know all of us appreciate your dilligence and work on our behalf. Cheers and take care.
 
Kobas said:
wow , thats ugly .
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Why do so many people comment on what the camera looks like? Isn't that the lest important issue? Or are you one of those people that spends $800 on a T2i and then $7000 on worthless overpriced matte boxes and fallow focuses that essentially do nothing but make the camera "look movie studio like"?

It looks fine just being a block with a hole for a lens. What else do you want... a spoiler and under-body neon's?
 
This is great news! Personally, I can't wait to get one of these. I'm going to the DV Expo at the end of this month. Looking forward to seeing the AF100 up close.

On a side note: Any word about a full frame sensor camcorder from Canon? I can't believe they are going just to give away this market.
 
bwhitz said:
Why do so many people comment on what the camera looks like? Isn't that the lest important issue? Or are you one of those people that spends $800 on a T2i and then $7000 on worthless overpriced matte boxes and fallow focuses that essentially do nothing but make the camera "look movie studio like"?
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Matte boxes and follow focuses do much more than make a camera seem bigger.

Please educate yourself.
 
Any word if they're designing an optional manual/servo zoom lens that could be attached or if there are any good options out there already that won't break the bank?
 
Faust said:
Oh, BTW, any info about sensor's scanning mode?
I mean: does it line-skip as in HDSLRs or does it scan the full 12 Mpixel area for a later downconversion to 1920x1080?
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GH1 don't do line skipping, so, I expect the same from upcoming GH2 and AF-100.
Possible improvements are:
1) Changing pixel binning mode. Like 1D FIR with long window.
2) Adjusting source frame size to be as close as possible to 1920x1080.
3) 720 modes can be made by downscaling using very good bilinear filtering logic in LSI from 1920 RAW source.

With about 90% probability all tree improvements are implemented.

I do not mention that they could set new AA filter :-)
 
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gandalfrodo said:
Any word if they're designing an optional manual/servo zoom lens that could be attached or if there are any good options out there already that won't break the bank?
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You can always mount B4 lenses for 2/3", with 2x converter they work ok on m43.
Sometimes in the dark future Panasonic will make windowed sensor mode for c-mount and old TV lenses :-)
 
I can't believe all the comments about what it looks like. What are the new RED's if not black boxes. If both the screen and viewfinder are high rez enough to focus with, that will be more than enough for me. It comes with a top handle, side handle, viewfinder and screen, what more do you want. Panasonic doesn't make a lens that will appeal to everyone so they leave it off, but there are adapters for just about anything so get what you like.
 
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