C200: Adobe now supports Canon Cinema RAW Light format

Super jealous that they have the option to switch color temp in Premiere, hopefully that comes to FCPX. Looks like the wait was worth it for this.
 
I’m not a Premiere user but this is excellent. One of my fav things is it looks like Adobe has enabled proper raw controls which will hopefully encourage Apple to folllow suit. Maybe this will quiet some of the CRL naysayers.
 
I was able to load it on Premiere at work (Xeon E5-2620 v4 build) but playback is really janky. I hope my Threadripper build at home has better success. If not, then I may have to go the proxy route.

Other than that, it's pretty cool. Great to see how the implemented the RAW Lite stuff under the effects control tab on the source!
 
definitionxmk said:
I was able to load it on Premiere at work (Xeon E5-2620 v4 build) but playback is really janky. I hope my Threadripper build at home has better success. If not, then I may have to go the proxy route.

Other than that, it's pretty cool. Great to see how the implemented the RAW Lite stuff under the effects control tab on the source!
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I'm betting you're going to need the beefiest of machines to play it back realtime even without effects. But now that Premiere supports the format, it'll generate its own proxies for you if you like, and I presume you can drop the playback res to get better performance.
 
It's useless on my end, It struggles big time to playback the footage, I had to drop it to 1/16 to get something decent meanwhile in Resolve I can playback my full edit without dropping the quality at all. I'm on a i7 6700k, 1070 Hybrid and reading the footage off a CFast Reader or SSD.

The only thing I miss about Premiere is cutting up the clips, it's much quicker while Resolve is too glitchy.

Edit: 100% CPU Load on Premiere, 45% in Resolve WITH a LUT Applied lol
 
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definitionxmk said:
I was able to load it on Premiere at work (Xeon E5-2620 v4 build) but playback is really janky. I hope my Threadripper build at home has better success. If not, then I may have to go the proxy route.

Other than that, it's pretty cool. Great to see how the implemented the RAW Lite stuff under the effects control tab on the source!
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2687W V4 is destined for workstation type of use, 2620 is (relative) low power server CPU.
From current line-up, 6144 or 6146 would be more appropriate for this type of load.

Does your system support GPU de-bayering and what frame rate does your system achieve when playing back RED raw 4k files at full resolution?
 
Premiere Pro does not currently use the GPU for debayering C200 raw files.
 
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Premiere Pro does not use the GPU for debayering.
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Exactly.

Premiere, from day one, was designed as an off-line editor.
For smooth editing, just use proxies. Doesn't matter if they are C200 or Premiere generated.

And then export the project to the big iron for finishing.
 
laverdir said:
2687W V4 is destined for workstation type of use, 2620 is (relative) low power server CPU.
From current line-up, 6144 or 6146 would be more appropriate for this type of load.

Does your system support GPU de-bayering and what frame rate does your system achieve when playing back RED raw 4k files at full resolution?
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My 2620 station handles RED RAW 4k files at Full Resolution with no problems at all.

So I went home to try my Threadripper Build (1950x, 64 GB RAM, 1080ti, M.2 SSDs) and it also had the same exact type of hiccups. I did, however, update my CUDA drivers and it was "workable" at 1/8 Resolution. I still think the proxies might be the way to go. I just find it odd as people are saying they are having smooth playback on 3 year old laptops...
 
I can't comment on current arrangements in the industry, but there was a high point in Premiere development when nVidia chimed in with CUDA.
At that time, professionals stopped making fun and ridiculing of Premiere users. Mercury Playback Engine was something that everyone wanted to implement into their big iron.

GPU de-bayering was working.

Today? I don't know.

Modern economy rules took over and you don't need to be the best, it's enough just to have the biggest volume of the sales.
Probably that was the reason for bringing back proxies in the big picture. Premiere is just good enough for majority of people.

Look where all the big companies that insisted on excellence ended. Excellence requires big budgets for the latest technology.
That means lower user base. Lower user base at the end finishes with discontinuation of the product due to the sales number.
 
laverdir said:
I can't comment on current arrangements in the industry, but there was a high point in Premiere development when nVidia chimed in with CUDA.
At that time, professionals stopped making fun and ridiculing of Premiere users. Mercury Playback Engine was something that everyone wanted to implement into their big iron.

GPU de-bayering was working.

Today? I don't know.

Modern economy rules took over and you don't need to be the best, it's enough just to have the biggest volume of the sales.
Probably that was the reason for bringing back proxies in the big picture. Premiere is just good enough for majority of people.

Look where all the big companies that insisted on excellence ended. Excellence requires big budgets for the latest technology.
That means lower user base. Lower user base at the end finishes with discontinuation of the product due to the sales number.
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It'll be interesting to see where Resolve ends up in two years. It seems that they are aggresively seeking excellence and are building quite a new market in a quality NLE. Several years ago, who would have thought that BMD would be a viable contender to the big three editing software, props to them. Acquiring the Fairlight technology was brilliant.

I've been on several boards lately and spoken with multiple Premiere users who now HATE Adobe and Premiere and are abandoning ship and going back to AVID, FCP X and trying Resolve. Too bad, Adobe had great momentum exactly when you mentioned, at the high point. Many Premiere users are convinced that once they had grabbed market share though that Adobe let the team slack off, especially on reliability and not crashing. And while a bold move, many despise their pricing structure in comparison to Apple and BMDs.
 
It's easy for BMD when other company segment fuels their 'development' of the software.
They are acquiring solutions that were far, far ahead of their time.
Technology sold on liquidations, because they were excellent in so small niche, which was not able to attract enough investors to finish their concepts conceived long in the past.
And then BMD just rebrands them.

That's the mentality of village butcher.
Go to the market, watch for the poorest peasant who has no choice but to sell the cattle today and then wait till the last moment before the market closes to achieve the lowest price.

Grabbing market share is the only goal today, not excellence.

Look what can you drive for free or use in non-commercial purpose today! You don't have to be good in that what you do. Or have education. Just become a user.

When you got enough large user base and your toughest concurrency is wiped of the market, not because of technical excellence, but because of the price, you can do what ever you want:
subscriptions, double the price etc.

So, the key is to make user addicts, dependent on your latest technology trick.

If you live in fast enough network, you'll see where it is going with para-virtualization and cloud services.
Until the day arrives when there is no need for human intervention for technology to work. AI is making steps of seven miles.

I wonder how many (fanatical) Resolve users here were using it before it was free? You know, when it was sold from da Vinci Systems?
 
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I'm using a Ryzen 1800x, but CRM playback in Premiere (PC) is choppy even at 1/16th. For those expereincing smooth playback, what processors are you on? Same for those that are having choppy playback? I'm trying to isolate the problem to figure out how to get smooth playback. I'm jealous!
 
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