A1 and editing

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SamKam

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Question(s) for everyone using the A1.

Are you using the camera as a deck to import footage and if so are you concerned about damage/wear to the camera heads?

Also, does the 24F format have any impact during post?
 
24F works in some editors, but not necessarily all. It works in FCP 5.1.2 and Vegas 7 and EDIUS Broadcast, I don't know about others.

Be aware that only a Canon HDV camera can play back 24F. There are no decks for it. So if you want to get a separate device to use to digitize, it'd have to be a Canon HDV camcorder.
 
Thanx.
Any info on wear to the heads?
I have always been under the assumption that it is a very bad idea to use a camera as a deck with any frequency because of excess wear to the heads.
 
I think the use of the camera as a deck is not recommended over the long run as a precaution only. It's like putting milage on your car; if your camera has like a thousand hours on it then it's probably good to not capture with it. But if it's brand new/low hours then that's not something you have to worry about. The HV10 is currently the cheapest alternative to a deck that's available so if you can afford to get it along with the A1 then you should do so.
 
If you need to use the camera as a deck, it makes sense to avoid shuttling back and forward, as that type of operation is probably more stressful on the mechanism than actual head wear. If you can capture the footage in a single pass it should not cause too much wear and tear. A proper deck would be nice though.
 
Here's hoping a deck is introduced that's cheaper than the HV10. I can also vouch that 24f works just fine in Vegas 6.
 
For those editing 24f on the pc, ala Vegas and Premiere, have you tried mixing 24f and 60i in the same timeline? Since there is no 24f output to tape as of yet...I would be content to export 24f in a 60i stream in the same way the DVX handles 24p. Just curious if anyone has experimented with this at all.

-Kevin
 
DammitJanet said:
Here's hoping a deck is introduced that's cheaper than the HV10. <snip>
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Eh? Looking at B&H the cheapest HDV deck is a JVC for $1750. Then Sony comes in at the 2-3K range. There may be a deck that supports 24F eventually, but its not going to cost less than the HV10...
 
For the money.. Go with a HD recorder, skip the digitizing from tape, use tape as backup only. Use the Firestore or the exeptional -lean and mean- Sony HVR-DR60 harddiskrecorder. It's a pitty the latter is .m2t or .avi, as far as I know there is no QT format in this little Sony but it weights only 220 grams w/o battery.
 
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xray said:
For the money.. Go with a HD recorder, skip the digitizing from tape, use tape as backup only. Use the Firestore or the exeptional -lean and mean- Sony HVR-DR60 harddiskrecorder. It's a pitty the latter is .m2t or .avi, as far as I know there is no QT format in this little Sony but it weights only 220 grams w/o battery.
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Do you think the Sony HVR-DR60 is better then the Firestore?
 
I have no idea, the Sony is small has a motion detector combined with 14 seconds of memory, so if you shake it for 12 sec and stop, all the data is there. It is also fanless, that is no sound. Shake it baby.

The Firestore is bigger, but has more software. Both use the firewire. But go that way, shoot on harddisk and tape combined, place the tape on the shelf for backup, copy the harddisk to the editing bay and start working. You have 4.5 H on a disk.
 
SamKam said:
Is there any compatibility issue with the XH A1 and the Sony HVR -DR60?
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I went to a demo of the Sony V1 cam in Sinagpore, and they also introduced the DR-60. Apparently it works with any cam via firewire, but only certain Sony cams will have auto start/stop of the recording, and even fewer have display of HD status. If you use a non-Sony cam you have to start and stop the recording manually at the HD unit.
 
jaegersing said:
I went to a demo of the Sony V1 cam in Sinagpore, and they also introduced the DR-60. Apparently it works with any cam via firewire, but only certain Sony cams will have auto start/stop of the recording, and even fewer have display of HD status. If you use a non-Sony cam you have to start and stop the recording manually at the HD unit.
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Thanks jaegersing.
Excuse what may be the ignorance of this question, but can the DR 60 properly record the 24f format of the XH A1?
 
For those editing 24f on the pc, ala Vegas and Premiere, have you tried mixing 24f and 60i in the same timeline? Since there is no 24f output to tape as of yet...I would be content to export 24f in a 60i stream in the same way the DVX handles 24p. Just curious if anyone has experimented with this at all.
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Not sure if this answers your question, but I've shot 60i and 24p on the same tape and imported with ConnectHD. When I import both formats simultaneously into Vegas, the audio is shorter than the video and the syncing is off, which means you can't do that, I assume.
 
philnerd said:
Eh? Looking at B&H the cheapest HDV deck is a JVC for $1750. Then Sony comes in at the 2-3K range.
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And the JVC deck will not play Canon footage at all.
There may be a deck that supports 24F eventually, but its not going to cost less than the HV10...
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There will likely never be such a deck. Canon has never built a deck, and Sony has no incentive to support a competitor's format.
 
SamKam said:
Is there any compatibility issue with the XH A1 and the Sony HVR -DR60?
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I would be very surprised if it worked for 24F or 30F. Sony decks don't support 24F or 30F at all, so I wouldn't expect their firewire hard disk recorder to support it either.
 
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