80D Specs
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If Sony is upping its share in the industry at Canon's expense, then Canon is indeed is hurting their own bottom line by simply following the market, i.e., Sony's lead. And its point&shoots don't even come close to Panasonic's. And now Sigma is coming out with fully electronic adapters that will work with the EF lenses on E-mount. And, if that's well implemented, an allegiance to any single ecosystem will be severely tested. Now, add to that the ever shrinking market - high of 125 million units shipped in 2010 down to projected 35 million in 2016 - and an ever diminishing need for a stills camera replacement and a lot of these photo-video companies will be getting squeezed out altogether. Canon is still an overall sales leader but there are always factors - overcapacity, an economic slump, a technological disrupter such as a smartphone - that can turn the champion into an also-ran.
PS. When I was a newbie in the consumer electronics biz, folks still bought their TV's from Sylvania, Curtis Mathis, GE, Zenith, RCA, Mitsubishi, Pioneer, Sanyo, Hitachi, Magnavox, etc. These days? Not so much.
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I don't know what Canon is thinking but I'm sure they have a load of Stanford, Yale, Harvard people crunching numbers figuring what to do and make the most $ doing it. Cameras are a 3rd level business for Canon. They make a lot more in other areas but this is like a sports team so to speak...still no idea why the iphone piece of crap can be 4k and Canon's dedicated cinema camera c100 cannot, I get the 80d in a way being HD but the stupid x10 is 4k it's like they are laughing at us making nice/crappy cameras when they could have had almost the entire DSLR video market if they wanted it with the 5d line.
I bought the RX10ii but i hate the damn menu.... it doesn't matter what I think since there isn't one camera that does it all even the expensive cameras like a RED can't autofocus and sorry in 2016 you sort of need it to, but the 70d does it really well and I'm sure the 16k c300II does it so the new 80d does but its not 4k.... screw me....its like the fruit company has no problem storing and selling every piece of data on my phone for advertising usage but they won't unlock the phone data to catch bad guys??? Jesus give me a break... same with gaagle and twiffer and facemook. Sorry major ranting...
I bought the RX10ii but i hate the damn menu.... it doesn't matter what I think since there isn't one camera that does it all even the expensive cameras like a RED can't autofocus and sorry in 2016 you sort of need it to, but the 70d does it really well and I'm sure the 16k c300II does it so the new 80d does but its not 4k.... screw me....its like the fruit company has no problem storing and selling every piece of data on my phone for advertising usage but they won't unlock the phone data to catch bad guys??? Jesus give me a break... same with gaagle and twiffer and facemook. Sorry major ranting...
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/Digital-Cameras/ci/9811/N/4288586282
The Best Buy's camera roster is more in the $500-$1,000 category and lower (on P&S), as it is on the bulk of their product. They're a mass merchandiser and their business is volume. The photo/video companies make their money on cameras from $1,000 and up.
GHKAM
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BestBuy sells above $1000 cameras.
80D
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/canon-e...ly-black/5005626.p?id=bb5005626&skuId=5005626
DSLR's
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchp...tegory_facet=Digital SLR Cameras~abcat0401005
Not sure what you're saying, but if we're talking purely business Canon is #1.
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This is their bestselling DSLR list -
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/digital-slr-cameras/all-dslrs/pcmcat186400050004.c?id=pcmcat186400050004
The sub-$1000 cameras and packages comprise most of the listed items.
Here's mirrorless :
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/digital...as/pcmcat214000050005.c?id=pcmcat214000050005
In other words, consumers don't look at Best Buy as the high end product retailers (with a possible exception of their Magnolia TV department, where salespeople are on commission). For the class leading lines, consumers go to specialty retailers.
Well, we've seen nothing from this cameras sensor outside of some stills at high ISO and they look to have very little noise. This is a different sensor design from what people are talking about on the photo forums. The only canon DSLR that has the same architecture is the unreleased 1DXII. The 80D and the 1DXII will be the first canon DSLR with these sensors. Certainly canon is aware of the GH4 and what Sony is doing so we'll see how they handle the codec. Everyone seems to be a buzz about on sensor ADC that this one might have which they are making that assumption by pics of the sensor. I don't know. Maybe it's crap, but it seems to early to say. Yes, it will not be 4K. So if it's crap because it's not 4K then it might be crap to you. I could care less about 4K. Apparently Canon has finally located a headphone jack supplier. So it has that over the 70D. Didn't they film a Ryan Gosling movie on the 7D. A whole episode of House on the barbaric crappy 5DII. The 80D will likely be better than both of those with this new sensor. My best Larry David/Bernie Sanders BAH! impression inserted here. 
ROCKMORE
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Still no 4K what a shame. I've been shooting 4K with my $699 Panny G7 4 months now and that also has "Full HD 60fps". If canon would compete I would still buy one, but stingy doesn't get customers back in 2016.
Here is a Nikon Coolpix with 4K for $350 to $500. Come on Canon, quit warming the bench and get back in the game.
http://www.engadget.com/2016/02/22/nikon-a900-b500-b700-coolpix-cameras/
Here is a Nikon Coolpix with 4K for $350 to $500. Come on Canon, quit warming the bench and get back in the game.
http://www.engadget.com/2016/02/22/nikon-a900-b500-b700-coolpix-cameras/
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ROCKMORE
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I think you may be underestimating the drive from other manufacturers to push 4K. Next to the the DSLRs you will find the latest UHD TVs dropping in price daily. Consumers also have a drive to buy new gadgets. With other choices including 4K at lower prices the average Joe may want to spend less and get the latest option for average home movies. HD will soon go the way of the tube TVs, remember them? They suddenly disappeared much like the dinosaurs.
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Samuel H
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I don't care much about 4K either. I'm buying a new TV soon and it won't be 4K: at 75", it' not big enough that I would notice the difference from 1080p.
And yet, I do want to shoot 4K some times. Right now I'm doing VFX on a project that I shot completely on a green screen, with an a7S recording 1080p internally. That's one of the sharpest and cleanest 1080p images you can find, and yet it's definitely not enough for this kind of project (at least for me). Being 420, the color channel is 960x540, but it doesn't even resolve as much: my color key has the resolution of a very good 640x360 image (that is: whenever I have to do some roto by hand to cover the tracking marks on the green screen, I have to give my masks a feather of at least 3 pixels, else they'll look a lot sharper than the color key). The 5D3+RAW may be 960x540 or even better, thanks to the fact that it is uncompressed and the green channel takes twice the photosites of the other two on the Bayer mask, but then again I doubt the 5D3+H.264 would be better than 480x270 so don't get too cocky. And no, external 1080p 422 on the a7S won't be enough either: I want 4K for this kind of thing. Then again, half of the shots are 60fps so I need 4K at that something better than 30fps (and it rules out the 5D3+RAW too).
And yet, I do want to shoot 4K some times. Right now I'm doing VFX on a project that I shot completely on a green screen, with an a7S recording 1080p internally. That's one of the sharpest and cleanest 1080p images you can find, and yet it's definitely not enough for this kind of project (at least for me). Being 420, the color channel is 960x540, but it doesn't even resolve as much: my color key has the resolution of a very good 640x360 image (that is: whenever I have to do some roto by hand to cover the tracking marks on the green screen, I have to give my masks a feather of at least 3 pixels, else they'll look a lot sharper than the color key). The 5D3+RAW may be 960x540 or even better, thanks to the fact that it is uncompressed and the green channel takes twice the photosites of the other two on the Bayer mask, but then again I doubt the 5D3+H.264 would be better than 480x270 so don't get too cocky. And no, external 1080p 422 on the a7S won't be enough either: I want 4K for this kind of thing. Then again, half of the shots are 60fps so I need 4K at that something better than 30fps (and it rules out the 5D3+RAW too).
That sounds more like bad technique instead of having an image without enough resolution.
Why is your key so soft?
Samuel H
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No idea. I'm using keylight on AE, and it works quite well because the screen was nicely lit, but the key is soft indeed. At 420 the color channel is 960x540 so I wasn't expecting much anyway...
I didn't increase the shutter speed because my main light would have created flicker, and initially I thought that might be cause, but as I work on more and more shots it seems it's on the image capture itself. The nastiest part is that there's a "bleeding" on the key whenever the background-tracking marks come close to touching my subjects. I think it will look well in the end, but not as well as if I had shot 4K to begin with, and with a lot more manual work than I would like.
In any case I have to concede that it is actually very likely that I'm not doing things right and I shouldn't be trashing the tools if it's the artisan who can't use them.
Sorry for the offtopic...
I didn't increase the shutter speed because my main light would have created flicker, and initially I thought that might be cause, but as I work on more and more shots it seems it's on the image capture itself. The nastiest part is that there's a "bleeding" on the key whenever the background-tracking marks come close to touching my subjects. I think it will look well in the end, but not as well as if I had shot 4K to begin with, and with a lot more manual work than I would like.
In any case I have to concede that it is actually very likely that I'm not doing things right and I shouldn't be trashing the tools if it's the artisan who can't use them.
Sorry for the offtopic...
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ROCKMORE
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The main advantage of 4K for me is the ability to zoom and crop in post without loosing the 2K resolution. This is a huge benefit. For all my daily personal projects that I shoot but have not time to edit, it will be essential for me to have the additional information when I get around to editing, because for archived material that may be years away. There is no reason I will ever shoot 2K unless restricted by higher frame rates. 4K is the best for recording whatever your final release will be.
Felipe Henao
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Same Aliasing problems as T1i back in 2009
this looks horrible. i saw extreme stair stepping on the horizontal wires. reminds me of my lowly 70D (i barely ever use it but love the face detection at times) which has the worst aliasing & moire ever. i bought the mosaic engineering filter which fixes all of that but still not very detailed.
I'm hoping this video has some error as to how it was uploaded to youtube otherwise...argh! pure ****.
david