80D Specs

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roxics

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Supposed leak of the 80D specs

24.2MP APS-C CMOS sensor
Dual Pixel CMOS AF
Continuous shooting 7 fps
Continuous shooting with live view 5 fps (AF tracking)
AF 45 points (all points cross type)
7560 pixel RGB + IR photometry sensor
ISO range: 100-16,000
Viewfinder has 100% field of view
3 inches vari-angle LCD monitor, touchscreen
Video: full HD 60fps
Time-lapse movie
HDR
Creative filters
Built-in Wi-Fi, NFC
Remote control from smartphone

I have to admit that if true, I'm pretty disappointed by the lack of a UHD recording option in 2016.
 
Kinda cranks me up when specs say "full HD". Its kinda like saying..."it almost wasn't "full" HD...but here is the whole shebang. Almost like "we contemplated making it 720P for a second....but we're in a good mood.....so here ya go. "
 
ReelWorksMedia said:
Kinda cranks me up when specs say "full HD". Its kinda like saying..."it almost wasn't "full" HD...but here is the whole shebang. Almost like "we contemplated making it 720P for a second....but we're in a good mood.....so here ya go. "
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I know what you mean. And the irony is that it's probably line-skipping like all of the other Canon DSLRs. So while it may be "Full HD", it's not necessarily true HD.

I have a friend who is excited about the prospect of upgrading to this from his 70D, but I don't really understand why.
 
I bet that at 1080@60p the Dual Pixel AF is disabled just like with the 7D MII.

And I wonder if it will still have the moire/alisasing of the 70D or the soft IQ of the 7D MII
 
Felipe Henao said:
Look where is Sony going , For me is time to let Canon gear for stills and get Sony for Video
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If it doesn't overheat! I do event video. I have had Sony E mount APS-C cameras for 7 years for stills. But none of them do what I need for internal recording for video, for events. If you want 1080P, the external Atomos Ninja recorder is only $300 and will fix the overheating. But for 4K, it is $1,000 minimum, plus $1,000 for the A6300 ...


I am shooting a Canon 7DII for wildlife, and for events. (I also use it for wildlife photography. I can't touch an 900mm or longer lens for manual focus, it looks pretty horrid.) I bought a Panasonic G7 and a GH4 for 4K video. I also bought a Samsung NX500 for 4K, but mostly just to test that out so far.

If the A6300 can do 4K internally for 1 hour+ without overheating, I will sell the NX500 body and lenses, along with most of my specialized Panasonic lenses. I will keep the G7 body, a few basic lenses, and use my Canon lenses on it here and there.

If not .... I am going to give up on Sony for now, and stay with Panasonic. I have too many systems, it will be great to drop one or two!

I have also been shooting a Nikon D5300/ D5500, and had a Nikon D750 for 6 months (I loved the sensor, but hated the the ergonomics.) I will look at the D500 this fall, for next winter's wildlife work from December through April. For stills and potential 4K.

Hopefully we will get some real world tests soon! Good luck.
 
For events I have a traditional video camera Panasonic HMC40 as well for documentary, But for commercial My 7DII , T5i , have done a decent job.
Seems to me like this Sony a6300, is a Camera that can do Commercial and High quality work better than Canon DSLRs, It has great codec with high bit rate
Very usable slow motion, Image looks outstanding, Do clean external recording as well, Log profiles, Besides 4K.
All this for only $ 1000 body and $ 600 18-105 f4 zoom lens. good starting package.
 
Personally I find the 80D completely laughable. It would have been nice two years ago (that's when the a6000 launched: it did internal 1080p60 with just a bit better DR than what CineStyle has, and with mild aliasing/moire that is mostly monochromatic and without rainbows). But in 2016, it's dead on arrival.

The a6300 can do 4K with several stops better DR, and 1080p at 120 fps. It probably overheats, but if you do events you can also go with Panasonic or Samsung, who are doing 4K and high-fps-1080p without the overheating (though without the DR improvement).

The best way to show the problem with Canon is to answer this to unadog: so, you need 4K that can record for an hour without overheating; what Canon big-sensor camera can offer you that? How much does it cost? Canon has decided that I should pay a lot more $$$$ for my next camera, I have decided to go with another manufacturer.
 
Samuel H said:
Personally I find the 80D completely laughable....
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Agreed.


Samuel H said:
The best way to show the problem with Canon is to answer this to unadog: so, you need 4K that can record for an hour without overheating; what Canon big-sensor camera can offer you that? How much does it cost? Canon has decided that I should pay a lot more $$$$ for my next camera, I have decided to go with another manufacturer.
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Also, if concerned about overheating, the a6300 has clean HDMI out where as (at least as far as I can tell) the 80D does not. I'm very much considering selling my GH4 and MFT lenses and getting a couple of a6300's with a speed booster. Just waiting for hands on reviews. I'm still holding out for a 4K firmware update for my 7D2 bodies though - one can only hope.
 
I think it's time for me to move away from Canon as well. They either don't want to give us what we want or they can't because their technology isn't as good as Samsung, Sony and Panasonic. So why would I stick with a compnay that doesn't want to give me what I want? Likewise, why would I buy old technology from Canon for the same price as new technology from other manufacturers?

It's a shame because I really like the ergonomics of Canon cameras. I like bigger DSLR style camera bodies. I really don't care for all these shrinking camera bodies. Give me something big and beefy that feels like a real camera. I like that there is a choice of first party lenses that range from stills to cinema. I like the overall reliability of Canon cameras. I like their color science. But I will not let them continue to dictate to me that I must be cool with line skipped 1080p video just because I can't afford to drop $6K on a 1D X mkII. Not when three other companies are offering me 4K cameras for under $1500.

It's too bad Samsung seems to have thrown in the towel, they're the closest to what I'm after. But it's hard to drop that money knowing there is no future in that system.
 
In fairness, Sony doesn't have a 1D XII or D5 equivalent. Yet.

I assume that this is one of those "pick your spot on the chessboard" things - Sony won't make a high end stills camera while Canon and Nikon won't do 4K in sub-$,2000 range because Panasonic has released its 8th (GH4, GX8, G7, LX100, FZ100, FZ300, ZS100, ZS60) 4K camera already and because Sony has its FS series to protect anyway. Which means that both Canon and Panasonic have to stay out of that $5,000-$10,000 niche also. (and, if Leica makes a 4K piece, then no one really cares)

PS. Pentax has released a full frame camera with a Sony (D800, A7R) 36 MPX sensor. Naturally, it doesn't have 4K because Sony said, "Don't aks, Pentax". It does have pixel shifting but the max res there is limited to 42 MPX because Sony wouldn't want Pentax to outdo A7RII, would they.
 
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Samuel H said:
That "pick your spot on the chessboard" game sounds a lot like go.
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Except the photo-video industry is not entirely based on adversarial relationships.

BTW, one drawback I can think off is that not all market niches are equal and a successful model in one segment will inevitable draw revenues away from another. For example, A7RII isn't meant to compete with 1D XII or D5 but its sales have to impact them anyway. Then, when you look at the entire Panasonic 4K P&S lineup in the sub-$1,000 category, it makes very little sense for even an average shooter to buy Canon without 4K even with a greater feature set. On B&H's top mirrorless chart, A6300 is already #1 and, at $1,000, it surely beats D80's $1,200 as its nearest competitor but also must be negatively impacting D500 and other APS-C models too. And what redress do the other companies have visavis Sony? They agreed to enable a 1080p model only but now their actual sales are way lower than their projections. And, besides, the whole camera market is in a free fall anyway. And Sony might be playing by the rules it set up for others .... while having them for lunch at the same time. So, looking at the whole picture, it's less of a Go but more like a mob type of an arrangement. Officially, they agree not to infringe on each other's territories. Unofficially, someone will get Mo Green'ed anyway,
 
What we really sell is image not gear, and of course this is not only camera, First go ideas then lighting, Sound, Models or actors, distribution, and others.
But There are technical requirements in image, that some times are not only matter of price but belong to a camera in particular.
Seems to me that Canon is very conservative company because they think they have very loyal customers chained to them because of the lens selection
And Lenses people already have, that despite of adapters that usually never perform as native lenses for each brand.

Now Brands like Sony or Panasonic, that love the power of being the richest, do not think twice in giving more for less.
This Sony A6300, is not only 4K, Image quality, Contrast Color etc is great, Has focusing Aids not even the Mark III os 7D MII have.
Auto focus seems to be on pair with Dual pixel, APSC VS Full frame has a difference in low light performance, but seems like the A6300 is fantastic at reasonable ISO.

DEPTH OF FIELD IS THE SAME IF USING LONGER LENSES WITH WIDER APERTURE TO COMPENSATE THE CROP FACTOR.
So is clear, Sony wants Canon and Nikon customers, and is giving us reasons to switch, $ 1000 could sound like little money
but if Sony sells 10 millon cameras at that price + lenses, we could see the why of all this.
 
i don't know why anyone would really expect the 80D to have 4k and find it laughable that it would being that it only retails for $1,200 which is a budget camera by Canon's standard. its even being doubted in the rumor mills that the 5DkIV (or whatever its called) will "NOT" have 4k. that would be dissapointing to me but I'm not definitely not getting my hopes up.

i know everyone (including myself sometimes lol) makes that point that Canon is now "dead in the water" in the industry by not competing feature for feature with the other camera companies offerings but even though i wish they would i still don't feel that extreme about it and still find a lot of value with my many Canon cameras as mostly stills cameras. still if someone is looking for 4k...forget Canon DSLR's. i don't see that as "Canon is now all of a sudden DEAD" because they won't offer 4k. thats just silly IMO. i own a host of cameras from all of the companies. many of them fill in the holes where Canon is weak.

Canon has been very consistent about not giving good video in any of their DSLR since the 5DmkII yet most of us have the tendency to think that that philosophy with change when every new camera is announced which is clear that its not and its been quite awhile since the 5DkII.

david
 
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The problem is that Canon is still living off its legacy and is generally not competitive on any products that retail under $6,000. D80 is not even in the same league as A6300. By the time 5D MKIV comes out, A7RIII will probably be two generations ahead. C100 MKII loses to FS7 by a lot and C300 MKII is overpriced by ~ 30%. And, to many, this type of an approach can result in a company's eventual demise. It may seem improbable but odder things - i.e., Kodak - have happened in the past.
 
I think it's time for me to move away from Canon as well. They either don't want to give us what we want or they can't because their technology isn't as good as Samsung, Sony and Panasonic. So why would I stick with a compnay that doesn't want to give me what I want? Likewise, why would I buy old technology from Canon for the same price as new technology from other manufacturers?
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Better late than never Roxics, I threw in the towel when the gh2 came out, then after the g6 release, I sold off my 5d2 and never looked back. that was about three years ago. Although I have stayed with Canon mount lenses due to other companies like black magic, red, who have adopted the mount. Also adapts to m4/3rds, and Sony. I just can't fathom how they can produce another outdated body, with outdated specs, while holding onto any humility. That's more shocking than the 80d as far as I'm concerned.
 
DLD said:
The problem is that Canon is still living off its legacy and is generally not competitive on any products that retail under $6,000. D80 is not even in the same league as A6300. By the time 5D MKIV comes out, A7RIII will probably be two generations ahead. C100 MKII loses to FS7 by a lot and C300 MKII is overpriced by ~ 30%. And, to many, this type of an approach can result in a company's eventual demise. It may seem improbable but odder things - i.e., Kodak - have happened in the past.
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The lack of videographers buying Canon DSLR's is not going to lead to the demise of the company. While I understand the frustration with not having decent video in Canon's lower priced DSLR's, I think videographers need to understand that Canon is actually following the market and not hurting their bottomline by "crippling" their cameras.
 
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