jambredz
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7D 7D + accessories or 5D Mark II without many acessories?
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With 5d my lens kit is a 28mm 50mm 90mm (all f2.8)
With 7d my lens kit is 16-19mm 35mm(f2) 50mm 85mm
So with 5d you can get cheaper lenses and with 7d you get more accesories and a full hd out signal for monitoring.
I would get a 5d and those three lenses for fiction.
For documentary a 60D. ( the 7D get to hot for that purpose and you have manual audio....bla bla bla)
On the other hand a 5d is on the end of its cycle, The 60D is better for investing in equipment, lenses ect. And then update the body.
Get a Leicaflex R lens set or a contax lens set of 28mm 50mm 85-90.(1200$ if you search good) and then find a cheap wide tokina 12-24 (400).
Invest in glass not electronics.
With 7d my lens kit is 16-19mm 35mm(f2) 50mm 85mm
So with 5d you can get cheaper lenses and with 7d you get more accesories and a full hd out signal for monitoring.
I would get a 5d and those three lenses for fiction.
For documentary a 60D. ( the 7D get to hot for that purpose and you have manual audio....bla bla bla)
On the other hand a 5d is on the end of its cycle, The 60D is better for investing in equipment, lenses ect. And then update the body.
Get a Leicaflex R lens set or a contax lens set of 28mm 50mm 85-90.(1200$ if you search good) and then find a cheap wide tokina 12-24 (400).
Invest in glass not electronics.
damiaanp
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Oh my god.... Why anyone don't mention about LIGHT ? What is your problem ? You will never see much diffrence beetween 550d -> 7d, nikon d7000, gh1/2 etc.. It's just kids who cares about pixels, they wont to camera SEE IN DARK.. To create your precious FILM LOOK (awwwwwww) you need to deal witch LIGHT witch is everything in cinematography & photography... Fact that you own DSLR that can shoot 3200 iso will help you in town, where you cannot do anything witch light.. Professional DP can make decent looking footage (even today) witch DV camera. I want to buy dslr, they have tones of issues, but i know result witch my old m42 lenses will be better than i will spend 5x more money for ''semi pro HD camcorder" witch is not even solid state np. ..Panasonic AG-HPX171E, if i want it all (BUILD QUALITY/BIG SENSOR/LENSES/PROPER CAMERA(!)) -> Ag-Af100, but it's too expensive. If i were you i will go for 60d (better build than 550d/more video options/cheaper than 7d - but do the same job)
ROCKMORE
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The lenses he uses are most likely super speed t1.2 so f2.8-4 is already a few stops down. This will be considerably sharper than the still camera lenses we are using wide open at f2.8.
Just something to remember. Those lenses are in a different league when compared side by side to DSLR lenses and may have no relevance.
http://cinematechnic.com/resources/zeiss_super_speed_f1,2_lenses.html
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deltoidjohn
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Um, videographers and cinematographers. Adjustable centre columns are for photographers (or consumers who don't need quality gear). Professioanl film and video tripods don't have a centre column because it would prevent you from using an adjustable ball head mount (such as commonly used 75mm and 100mm heads). Without a ball head, you have to adjust all three tripod legs endlessly to get a perfectly straight horizon in your frame which will stay straight through any amount of panning and tilting.
What does using CineAlta lenses on a 2/3" Camera have to do with DOF being better on the 5dmkII than the 7d?
A lens is a lens. What you put behind a lens will not change the image the lens projects. It might affect how much of that projected image you can see (or whether it will mount properly) but it will not change the DOF or focal length of the lens.
You can put an EF lens onto an EX3 with the right adaptor, but that doesn't mean that you have the DOF of Full frame camera. So why does it affect DOF if they used CineAlta lenses on a 2/3" Camera?
My message was about DOF, not sharpness. You can always buy faster Canon primes too if you want. Canon 85/1.8, Canon 50/1.4, Sigma 30/1.4 etc all pretty low price lenses but very sharp when stopped down few stops.
ROCKMORE
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DOF and sharpness go hand in hand.
Just bringing a point to the attention of those who may not know that all lenses don't necessarily produce the same results. If you are quoting a D/P who may be using more expensive lenses, it's important to understand the difference.
It should be pretty obvious that all lenses are sharper when stopped down. That's photo/videography 101. We were talking about DOF differences and that pro's rarely use faster than f2.8-4 with super 35mm (ASP-C). If shot anamorphic they use even slower f-stops. They don't stop down to get more sharpness, they stop down to get deeper DOF.
ROCKMORE
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It's all pretty obvious.
wgzn
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im not sure if anyone's mentioned this. but a very big difference (and id assume the reason behind the price diff) between a 60D and a 7D is that 7D has the ability to send out an HD signal out hdmi while filming. ALL other canon cameras aside from one of the 1D models send an SD signal out hdmi while filming.
for me that was the deal breaker. for several others here, thats not a problem. it will depend on your needs and on how youre used to working.
but from an image standpoint. the 60D and 7D are nearly identical.
FWIW, i have a 60D kit for sale in the marketplace.
for me that was the deal breaker. for several others here, thats not a problem. it will depend on your needs and on how youre used to working.
but from an image standpoint. the 60D and 7D are nearly identical.
FWIW, i have a 60D kit for sale in the marketplace.
As time as passed with many threads posting this same question I would have to say I've concluded....... it's a matter of opinon and preference.
Personally I bought a 7d last year. I though after reading threads I had made a mistake not buying the newer 60d.
Now I am happy with my 7d and just use it to shoot. Who cares at this point, get what works for you and shoot the hell out of it.
I don't care anymore about having the latest camera or a swivel screen. I've made the 7d work for me for what I do and I'm sure you'll do the same.
Can't say enough though about traveling and having a sealed 7d. I can't wait to own a 5d in the future.
Personally I bought a 7d last year. I though after reading threads I had made a mistake not buying the newer 60d.
Now I am happy with my 7d and just use it to shoot. Who cares at this point, get what works for you and shoot the hell out of it.
I don't care anymore about having the latest camera or a swivel screen. I've made the 7d work for me for what I do and I'm sure you'll do the same.
Can't say enough though about traveling and having a sealed 7d. I can't wait to own a 5d in the future.
DavidBeier
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I think what some of us are suggesting is that he could afford better lenses with the price he'd save on the camera body. With that spare $1700, one could get a f2 or f1.4 instead of an f2.8. This would be a more useful tool for controlling DoF and most likely be more useful for lower light situations.
Not quite sure what you're trying to say. You mean, you've seen 35mm films shot with an f2.8 28mm lens that had a more shallow DoF than such a lens would look on the 60D or 7D? How do you know what lenses they were using on these films?
Different people like different styles of shooting. That said, I find your above statment a bit hard to believe. If you put a RED and 7D in the same spot with the same lens, you would notice that the RED has a VERY SLIGHTLY wider FOV but I can't imagine anyone being able to tell such a difference in any real world situation. It's like saying, "I can easily make out the difference between an 16mm and 18mm lens." Maybe my eyes are just terrible in comparison to that of a lot of other shooters but I can't imagine such a minor difference making any sort of impact.
DCTBradJohnson
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Panasonic GH2 with manual nikkor/Canon FD mount primes ftw