C100: 7 Weeks to NAB - Anyone hearing anything besides conjecture about a C100 MKIII?

I think those specs sound fairly realistic for Canon.

I also think that if they change the name to C200 they will also change the body styling.
 
DLD said:
My opinion - and I have nothing to back this up besides a hunch and cursory observation - is that Canon is working on longer product cycles because those 3-5 year periods often sufficed in prior years. Moreover, this consumer/low end pro end is the one seeing the fastest updates, which are probably connected to the technological advances in the smartphone camera modules. If one looks at the high end, Alexa and F65 are six years old and still hold their value to this day despite the more recent Red offerings.
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There may not have been a radical change to the Alexa sensor, asides from making a 4:3 version, but the electronics and recording options have changed a ton over the past few years. It'd be the equivalent of adding 4K 60p to the C300 II, without changing the sensor.
 
deltoidjohn said:
So, an FS5? :)

It does make sense for them to release something to compete with the FS5 spec-wise. It doesn't matter how many claims you make about "out-of-the-box" picture, the fact is that the FS5 (and FS7) has sold plenty of units based on the spec sheet - and in that regard Canon is a long way behind.
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Wasn't aware of the FS5 specs. But yes, it does makes sense...but the C200 will deliver more beautiful images ;)
 
I think you have it correct Doug as far as what's feasible for a C100 MKIII/C200 or whatever it will be named. The big question does seem to be, the form factor for the C700 seems to have been fairly well received. A lot people think it is ugly, but functionally, that form factor is far more usable than the ridiculously high and short current form factor. So according to Canon Rumors, the new EOS C camera will not debut at NAB, it will be Q3 or 4. So everyone with a C300 MKII can breathe easy, their camera will not instantly be outdated and everyone with a C100 who wants 4K will either have to switch brands to get it, pony up the $12k for a C300 MKII or just wait. If CR is to be believed, which I think they have about a 60-70% accuracy record although a lot of their predictions have been BS over the years too.
 
There will be surely a "super" feature added to the "C200" that no other company has (that is what I think).
Canon came out with the dualpixel AF a few years back, Sony added the variable ND not that long ago,
So I think the new C100 will have a new great feature. But the more I think of it, the more I think that the form factor won't change much.
 
puredrifting said:
I think you have it correct Doug as far as what's feasible for a C100 MKIII/C200 or whatever it will be named. The big question does seem to be, the form factor for the C700 seems to have been fairly well received. A lot people think it is ugly, but functionally, that form factor is far more usable than the ridiculously high and short current form factor. So according to Canon Rumors, the new EOS C camera will not debut at NAB, it will be Q3 or 4. So everyone with a C300 MKII can breathe easy, their camera will not instantly be outdated and everyone with a C100 who wants 4K will either have to switch brands to get it, pony up the $12k for a C300 MKII or just wait. If CR is to be believed, which I think they have about a 60-70% accuracy record although a lot of their predictions have been BS over the years too.
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The Canons don't seem to suffer from this much. You only have to look at the original C300 to have this confirmed. I still have yet to receive a call for a 300II. I can only think of one person that bought a 300II and it's probably because he was getting calls for the original(because he would send a lot of them to me), but by the time he decided to do buy, the mkII was out and he went with the newest one, which I probably would have done as well.
 
Doug_EX said:
There will be surely a "super" feature added to the "C200" that no other company has (that is what I think).
Canon came out with the dualpixel AF a few years back, Sony added the variable ND not that long ago,
So I think the new C100 will have a new great feature. But the more I think of it, the more I think that the form factor won't change much.
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That would certainly be off-trend, if Canon were to include some exclusive new feature in the C-series. Even the DPAF was a feature that was shifted over from their DSLR line, rather than a brand new innovation. Canon's habits with pro video cameras tend to lean towards releasing cameras slower, with spec-sheets & feature-sets that barely keep pace with their competitors, but in a package that just works. Not cutting edge, but dependable and versatile.
 
puredrifting said:
It's been stated by Canon on several occasions that 4K 60p will NOT happen for the C300 MKII, it's not supported by the hardware. No firmware will give the camera that feature. I think it will be possible for the future lower end camera (whether or not that will be called the C100 MKIII remains to be seen) because it will be a much lighter codec. Keep in mind that all 4K DCI with the C300 MKII is at 410 Mbps. Not saying that they couldn't had made it work when they designed it but with the specs they settled on, and the hardware they built, using the processors they had, it's not possible. They should have, but they didn't. That's why Sony sells a lot of FS7s.
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Yes I am agree but a physical modification for 4K 60p means changing processors. It should be possible and even if it is pricy it is still better than buy another camera.
 
Michel Talaïa said:
Yes I am agree but a physical modification for 4K 60p means changing processors. It should be possible and even if it is pricey it is still better than buy another camera.
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Better for the customer, perhaps. But less profitable for Canon.

They know that 4k60p (or higher) would be a big selling point for a future C300mkIII which would be far more profitable than a labour-intensive hardware upgrade for existing cameras.
 
I agree with John, Canon won't be doing processor board swaps. If they did, it would be unprecedented. They did the DPAF upgrade and they swap out lens mounts. But board swaps?
 
EOSHD is starting a little PR war with Canon. The site's proprietor's basic spiel is that, "Everyone else accepts input from the video professionals ... except Canon. They do what they do and watch people switching brands without batting an eye".

I think he is being a little naive with regard to how the Japanese cartel works, since Nikon has done even worse for the video shooters without the need to protect their (nonexistent) cinema line and is basically a video line non grata at the present time. Nonetheless, anything to ruffle the cartels feathers is a good thing.
 
DLD said:
EOSHD is starting a little PR war with Canon. The site's proprietor's basic spiel is that, "Everyone else accepts input from the video professionals ... except Canon. They do what they do and watch people switching brands without batting an eye".

I think he is being a little naive with regard to how the Japanese cartel works, since Nikon has done even worse for the video shooters without the need to protect their (nonexistent) cinema line and is basically a video line non grata at the present time. Nonetheless, anything to ruffle the cartels feathers is a good thing.
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I feel like Andrew Reid has been trying to start a PR with Canon since the moment he named his blog site after their cameras. It has a been a bit one sided. I've never seen any indication that Canon knows his site exists.
 
There were a few sites back then that were named after the 5D because it made such a big impact on the industry...the only ones that still exist that I remember are Cinema5D and Planet5D.
 
cpreston said:
I feel like Andrew Reid has been trying to start a PR with Canon since the moment he named his blog site after their cameras. It has a been a bit one sided. I've never seen any indication that Canon knows his site exists.
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I suppose one could link to EOSHD (something that is frowned upon by the DVXUser management ... and for many good reasons too) but he wrote that he went to a major expo, introduced himself to a Canon rep and was told that not only Canon knows who he is but they don't think highly of him. And that's despite him owning 5D MKIII and 1D C.

Naturally, Canon thinks much more positively about Canon Rumors and Fred Miranda, two stills oriented sites, whose membership tends to be giddy about all and any Canon gear.
 
I miss running around with a full-frame with everything out-of-focus...somehow it still was all beautiful.
 
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