60d vs. 7d kick in head needed...

[Dvader]

if i was buying mainly for stills i would go 7d, if mainly video, i would go 60d.

In the case of stills what exactly besides the 8fps versus 5fps but shooting does the 7d have over the 60d?

If mainly stills, I would go with 600D or even 550D. They all have same sensor and IQ, 7D only shoots faster. Faster fps is only usefull if you shoot fast sports. If fast sports is whwat you shoot, then of course 7D is the best option.

So there is no other difference on shooting stills between the 60d/7d and then the 600d/550d? How does their ISO performance compare?

 

[TonySegreto]

I was having this same dilemma a week ago. I pulled the trigger on the 7D. The 7D is larger, more solid, and feels better in my hands. I've used the 7d dozens of times on shoots before I bought it, I know how it works, and I know that it works well, and I like the stills it takes. I also like the CF cards and how solid they are. I think if you want to use it for stills as well, the 7D just has more options, and more professional options.

 

[TonySegreto]

In the case of stills what exactly besides the 8fps versus 5fps but shooting does the 7d have over the 60d?



So there is no other difference on shooting stills between the 60d/7d and then the 600d/550d? How does their ISO performance compare?

7d:
Auto focus is MUCH faster and more accurate.
Micro focus adjustment
Full frame eyepiece coverage
better noise reduction at high ISO
CF cards are able to buffer more photos for rapidfire shooting than SD
Also I think theres something with the auto white balance being better

 

[vision_filmz]

7d:
Auto focus is MUCH faster and more accurate.
Micro focus adjustment
Full frame eyepiece coverage
better noise reduction at high ISO
CF cards are able to buffer more photos for rapidfire shooting than SD
Also I think theres something with the auto white balance being better

Many of these statements are far from fact. Iso and noise are the same , auto balance is also the same. Finally the swivel screen on the 60d alone is worth the price of admission

 

[TonySegreto]

Check out http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos60d/page19.asp for a noise comparison. Trying to remember what was the deal with the white balance.

What else isn't correct there?

EDIT: Ahhh theres no dedicated white balance button on the 60d

 

[NickG]

Many of these statements are far from fact. Iso and noise are the same , auto balance is also the same. Finally the swivel screen on the 60d alone is worth the price of admission

The swivel screen is, overall, more of a benefit for video than stills, in my opinion. Not to say it's useless for a stills photographer, just that, on balance, video gets more from it.

I chose the 7D for:

Better autofocus
Micro focus adjustment
100% viewfinder
More robust construction
The weight and size fit my hands better
I prefer the button/dial ergonomics on the 7D

I'm aware that opinions differ on ISO/noise etc. - some people/reviewers claim to see a difference, others claim there's none. In my opinion, that makes any difference so small as to be irrelevant - maybe down to sample variations or other factors in the image chain (lens, monitor, printer, whatever).

Had I been buying mainly for video, I might have preferred the 60D for:

Swivel screen
I'd be using a tripod more often, so weight/feel would be less important
60D seems less affected by overheating
Magic Lantern adds some nice extras for video
The differences in autofocus would have been less important

So, I revert to my original proposition: stills favours 7D, video favours 60D

 

[TonySegreto]

The swivel screen is, overall, more of a benefit for video than stills, in my opinion. Not to say it's useless for a stills photographer, just that, on balance, video gets more from it.

I chose the 7D for:

Better autofocus
Micro focus adjustment
100% viewfinder
More robust construction
The weight and size fit my hands better
I prefer the button/dial ergonomics on the 7D

I'm aware that opinions differ on ISO/noise etc. - some people/reviewers claim to see a difference, others claim there's none. In my opinion, that makes any difference so small as to be irrelevant - maybe down to sample variations or other factors in the image chain (lens, monitor, printer, whatever).

Had I been buying manly for video, I might have preferred the 60D for:

Swivel screen
I'd be using a tripod more often, so weight/feel would be less important
60D seems less affected by overheating
Magic Lantern adds some nice extras for video
The differences in autofocus would have been less important

So, I revert to my original proposition: stills favours 7D, video favours 60D

^^ Good post.

 

[vision_filmz]

Check out http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos60d/page19.asp for a noise comparison. Trying to remember what was the deal with the white balance.

What else isn't correct there?

EDIT: Ahhh theres no dedicated white balance button on the 60d

? So there's no Magic lattern for Canon 7d, no manual audio, no swivel screen + the resolution on the Canon 60d screen is better than the 7d. How about the 7d that has it's own Movie mode , instead of just 7d Manual? How about the locking feature on the 60d that does not allow for the wheel on top to not turn for anything unless you hold the button? Truth is we can go back and forth here & that's now what Im trying to do. All I am basically saying that the 60d and 7d have certain features that the other doesn't, + the 60d cost at least $500-600 less which if you are only doing video would be a more useful camera.

 

[DavidBeier]

In the case of stills what exactly besides the 8fps versus 5fps but shooting does the 7d have over the 60d?



So there is no other difference on shooting stills between the 60d/7d and then the 600d/550d? How does their ISO performance compare?

The intermediate ISOs which the 7D/60D have tend to have less noise than the standard ones that the 600D/550D have. It's also nice to be able to dial in your Kelvin value.

As for 60D vs 7D; the 7D has a couple of other advantages for stills beyond the fps. It has a better autofocus system and faster processing thanks to the two processors (which also leads to overheating in video modes). It also has a 100% viewfinder (vs 96%) which will make framing for stills a tad easier.

 

[TonySegreto]

Yeah the swivel screen is nice, but theres really not much use for it. I use an external SmallHD monitor anyway. I like that the 7D feels more solid and larger in my hands, also the magnesium alloy body is much heavier. Though the weight and bulk can be a plus or a minus, depending how you shoot. Honestly the 7D doesn't overheat as much as it used to, I think the firmware has helped that. Plus with an external monitor your not using the onboard LCD which also keeps temps down.

Honestly the day I bought mine, I was dead set on getting a 60D, since camera technology is changing so much faster than lens technology, I figured I'd buy a cheaper camera and save for the lenses. But, in the store, feeling both camera's side by side, the 7D just felt so much better to me.

 

[M. Gilden]

The intermediate ISOs which the 7D/60D have tend to have less noise than the standard ones that the 600D/550D have. It's also nice to be able to dial in your Kelvin value.

Both of these are no longer an issue with Magic Lantern. Intermediate ISO and manual Kelvin are in the menu.

 

[DavidBeier]

Yeah the swivel screen is nice, but theres really not much use for it.

For you maybe but not for a lot of people. Many don't have an external monitor nor to they want to buy anther attachment for a workable viewfinder. I personally couldn't deal with the lack of the swivel LCD and I know a tone of other people who switched from 7Ds to 60Ds who feel the same way.

Honestly the day I bought mine, I was dead set on getting a 60D, since camera technology is changing so much faster than lens technology, I figured I'd buy a cheaper camera and save for the lenses. But, in the store, feeling both camera's side by side, the 7D just felt so much better to me.

I felt that way comparing the 60D to T3i (had been dead set on getting the cheaper option). Oddly enough, the 60D feels a lot more rugged (to me at least) than one might think whereas the 7D didn't seem like as huge a difference. Of course, i'd already decided NOT to get a 7D because of a lack of ML, no swivel, and overheating.

All our bickering kind of demonstrates why our poor friend is tearing his hair out. All these cameras are so similar and really just come down to personal preference. Our guy would probably do best to do what we did and go try out bother cameras as see which one really speaks to him.

Both of these are no longer an issue with Magic Lantern. Intermediate ISO and manual Kelvin are in the menu.

In stills mode as well? I was under the impression that was only true for video and live view and we were talking how they differed in standard shooting.