C200: $1,000 Price Drop.....C500MKII coming soon?

Canon Rumors is mongering that an s35 4K C300 MKIII may be coming around at some point in time.

I'd opine that it will indeed ... in about a year (announced at the NAB or summer 2020). This would fit into the Cinema EOS lineup quite nicely - C200 at $5,000-$6,000, C300 MKIII at $10,000-$13,000, C500 MKII at $16,000-$22,000. Prices will slightly vary upon modular package, which Canon has been experimenting with in C200 and C500 MKII already.
 
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It makes sense to me. s35 with 4K 60p and CRL using the same body as the C500 II. The big questions is whether they manage to engineer in an RF mount option.
 
cpreston said:
It makes sense to me. s35 with 4K 60p and CRL using the same body as the C500 II. The big questions is whether they manage to engineer in an RF mount option.
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Hmm, I kind of doubt it'll be the same as the C500 MKII body ... but you never know. (I think it'll be slightly smaller but with the same modular add-ons idea)

Feature-wise, s35 4K, maybe they can get the frame rate above 60 fps (Huawei Mate 30 has a slightly higher rate of ... 7680 ... that's right, seven thousand six hundred and eighty), maybe offer a baked-in look for a quick turnaround, DPAF, ND's, various CRL compression rates, etc.

And I doubt 2020 will be the time for the RF pro model. That will likely be the next generation, though it could be a half-cycle addition rather than a full-cycle replacement some time in 2022.
 
DLD said:
C700 MKII.

Though, perhaps, not as useless.
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It'll be very interesting to see if they keep the C700FF as a MKII. I'm 90% convinced that the entire EOS C line of cameras is much more of a prestige halo line than an actual significantly profitable division of Canon.
Even if they are profitable, the division is so massively dwarfed by all of Canon's other businesses that it probably doesn't matter how many units they move to the whole of Canon's business. If you read the interview
quotes from Canon's president, from a few years ago, as to why and how the C700 evolved, it points to me that it was pretty much a prestige move, not a major directive, which may be why the camera wasn't the
success that Canon had hoped it would be.

WIth the C500 MKII, it feels as if Canon really took off their gloves and said, "We're going to take out all of the stops and make a camera that will dominate it's market segment. We're going to give buyers everyting they've said they want and then a little more"
and I think it will dominate the over $11k but less than $17k segment, at this point. The C500 MKII doesn't seem limited or hobbled in very many ways compared to say, the C200, which while a great camera, is pretty artificially hobbled in so many ways. The C300 MKIII, if it exists, will be an interesting conundrum.
Would buyers buy a $10-13k S35 camera in 2020? I doubt it, not when they can buy the FF FX9 for $11k. I would buy a $10k C300 MKIII if it wasn't 8K, if it was 6K and had most of the cool features like 2K CRL and the image stabilization, etc, but I'm not a typical customer.
 
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I am sure that their pro market revenues pale in comparison to the Rebel line but C700 for them is kind of like GT-R was for Nissan, Viper for Dodge and NSX for Honda/Acura. One needs a prestige model to establish the brand name as "classy and cool". On top of that, there's a lot of pass-down technology from the top of the line to the next generation of product, so the R&D isn't wasted in the long term anyway.

In any case, Canon's been working on an 8K camera for several years, so they may as well release it under the C700 moniker. And, as long as they keep it around $25,000 for ready-to-shoot, it may get some traction. But, at $50,000, they're unlikely to be the first choice.

PS. Here's what they could do - build an AF capable series of lenses in the Sumire class. Sony is doing it with their G-Master glass. Do one better.
 
I wonder how long it’s going to take for some real world reviews to come out for the C500MKII. I’ll admit I’m starting to get antsy.
 
chris f said:
I wonder how long it’s going to take for some real world reviews to come out for the C500MKII. I’ll admit I’m starting to get antsy.
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I'm on the list for a review copy but I am small time compared to the usual reviewers so I probably won't get a review copy until others are done with it.
 
The thing I'm currently most interested in seeing/learning about is the quality of the image when shooting crop sensor and not full frame. I'm getting closer and closer to buying the Canon 18-80 lens after renting it for so many doc shoots (and loving it), but would feel more confident pulling the trigger if I knew that upgrading to the C500MKII down the road wouldn't introduce any problems (like moire or any other weirdness during the 6K->4K downsample in camera with the sensor crop on top of that)
 
chris f said:
The thing I'm currently most interested in seeing/learning about is the quality of the image when shooting crop sensor and not full frame. I'm getting closer and closer to buying the Canon 18-80 lens after renting it for so many doc shoots (and loving it), but would feel more confident pulling the trigger if I knew that upgrading to the C500MKII down the road wouldn't introduce any problems (like moire or any other weirdness during the 6K->4K downsample in camera with the sensor crop on top of that)
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Chris-
Knowing Canon's C series history, I don't think there is going to be any issues....if you remember, the original C300 is/was a 4K sensor downed in camera to 1080 recording .....and one of the reason that camera's footage looked so good. On the 18-80mm, a great hybrid lens that continues to grow in popularity, especially with the run-n-gun/reality crowd. Also, I have them in stock here at Filmtools...and you could do a 0% lease if you don't want to lay out the cash ($191.68 + tax for 24 mos. OAC).

Jim Martin
Filmtools.com
 
chris f said:
The thing I'm currently most interested in seeing/learning about is the quality of the image when shooting crop sensor and not full frame. I'm getting closer and closer to buying the Canon 18-80 lens after renting it for so many doc shoots (and loving it), but would feel more confident pulling the trigger if I knew that upgrading to the C500MKII down the road wouldn't introduce any problems (like moire or any other weirdness during the 6K->4K downsample in camera with the sensor crop on top of that)
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18-80 won't cover FF sensor, so there is no downscaling issue.
 
chris f said:
The thing I'm currently most interested in seeing/learning about is the quality of the image when shooting crop sensor and not full frame. I'm getting closer and closer to buying the Canon 18-80 lens after renting it for so many doc shoots (and loving it), but would feel more confident pulling the trigger if I knew that upgrading to the C500MKII down the road wouldn't introduce any problems (like moire or any other weirdness during the 6K->4K downsample in camera with the sensor crop on top of that)
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Since Canon shows the C500 MKII in the press kit with the CN E 18-80 t/4.4 mounted on it, I am pretty confident in saying it should look excellent. I'd be surprised if there was any artifacting or issues. If I owned the C500 MKII, I would rarely ever shoot it FF, I'd always be shooting it cropped for the same reason.
 
chris f said:
I wonder how long it’s going to take for some real world reviews to come out for the C500MKII. I’ll admit I’m starting to get antsy.
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lol don't worry chris, Canon will take your money soon enough! And I'll buy all of your cfast 2.0 cards when you sell your c200s.
 
Just paid my final payment on my C200B and I have imaginary future debt burning a whole in my pocket already.
 
Personally, I only bought my C200 about 4 months ago and I look forward to keeping it as my A-Cam for years to come!
 
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