KEEPER OF THE LOST - Flyin' Monkey Films & MattSpat Films

okay. first let me say this one managed to generate some mild tears here. i really responded to some of the more sincere moments. that jessica sinclair is so good, i want to steal her from you and write a whole feature around her.

here's what i'd like to suggest you guys try if you want to keep shaping this... drop the score. i imagine it's nice on its own but married to these scenes it turns authentic, at times heartfelt, moments into scenes from a Lifetime movie of the week. it's like a delicious steak covered in ketchup. second, sound design. i'd love to feel the environment of the streets these characters inhabit, really feel it. make the city a character thru sound. in the future, see if you can't incorporate a wireless kit at s minimum to capture the dialogue live.

those are my thoughts.... you guys rocked my face off!
 
Zak Forsman said:
okay. first let me say this one managed to generate some mild tears here. i really responded to some of the more sincere moments. that jessica sinclair is so good, i want to steal her from you and write a whole feature around her.

here's what i'd like to suggest you guys try if you want to keep shaping this... drop the score. i imagine it's nice on its own but married to these scenes it turns authentic, at times heartfelt, moments into scenes from a Lifetime movie of the week. it's like a delicious steak covered in ketchup. second, sound design. i'd love to feel the environment of the streets these characters inhabit, really feel it. make the city a character thru sound. in the future, see if you can't incorporate a wireless kit at s minimum to capture the dialogue live.

those are my thoughts.... you guys rocked my face off!
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I'm IN Zak!...Ummm...could I crash at your place though...? I don't know anyone on the West Coast....also I have a rather large dog. Is that cool? BWhahahahahah!
Totally sweet comment, I'm truly honoured and touched!

:dankk2:
 
Hey guys,

It feels like you didn't have the ground glass on for some of the outdoor stuff. Esp around the 3 min mark at the hotdog stand. Am I insane? Or is it compression?

You have a lot going on here, buddy, but the ADR is killing you. Or maybe not so much the ADR itself, as not mixing it into the rest of the sound well enough. It's pretty glaring. I try to do it as little as possible because it's hard to get right. I know you wanted to practice it on these, but it might be worth getting a pro mix done, or at least conning a pro into helping you out. The only time I ADR'd a whole film, Herman did the mix.
 
You caught me on the ground glass at the hotdog scene. the ONE time i forgot to switch the adapter on... that was in front of the Roger's Center (formerly the Sky Dome) and there were 5 cop cars literally 50 feet from us. We were expecting to get busted at any second, so we swooped in, asked the hotdog guy for permission, got the shot and got the hell outta there.

Sadness. You're right about the ADR though. I don;t have enough patience to mix it properly and Damian only did thae mix at the last as a favor. So hard to get it to sound right. My Shotgun Mic and lavs arrived from Atlanta this afternoon, so I at least have sound again, but way too late for anything... oh well.

Guess it was too glaring to get into the story?
 
Again,

I must ask.. why is this completely dubbed. The sync is very off in a lot of places as well. I can't get into this. It's like watching a film in a complete vacuum.

I wanted to get into it.. but the sound (or lack thereof) really just takes me completely out of the film.. makes me very disconnected.

Again, I am interested to know why this was all ADR work? surely you must have gotten some decent sound on location you could use?

I liked this story. It's sweet.

You need to hook up with a good sound designer or sound recordist. The sound really brings this down. I feels too artificial. The music is quite distracting as well. With some solid sound work, I don't think you'd even need music in this.

peas.
 
As this shoot was done ENTIRELY OUTSIDE there was to much background noise to get accurate audio. Toronto is a busy city at almost all hours of the day and night. As we were focused on getting a great landscape for our film and the progression of our moving through the city was integral to the story, it was necessary to ADR the film in this manner. Not to mention that having a sound crew with us would have made our production far more obvious, thus creating more unwanted attention and as we were shooting as Rodney affectionately refers to it 'guerrilla' style we had to on and off of our selected locations quite quickly.
 
One thing that I've noticed about both of these films is that you've created a bunch of characters that we, as viewers, can genuinely care about. They're intriguing, charismatic, and charming. I really enjoyed where this film took me and the type of friendship that it established. I really liked the performances from the leads.

My critiques of this film run along the same vein as Falling Up, much like what others have already expressed. But honestly, unlike what some others have said about being taken out of the viewing experience, after the initial shock of obvious ADR work, I stopped caring and enjoyed the story.

Is it a perfect film? No. Are any of the films in this fest? Of course not. Are they at the Academy Awards? Nope. Sure, they have technical proficiency that some of us just can't get on our own, but this film has a heart, and I appreciate that the most.

Thanks for the pleasurable viewing. :beer:
 
Loki said:
You need to hook up with a good sound designer or sound recordist. The sound really brings this down. I feels too artificial. The music is quite distracting as well. With some solid sound work, I don't think you'd even need music in this.

peas.
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I've got to agree with Loki here. I think that with proper sound design, a film like this wouldn't even have needed music. It's strong enough on its own.
 
Loki said:
Again,

I must ask.. why is this completely dubbed. The sync is very off in a lot of places as well. I can't get into this. It's like watching a film in a complete vacuum.

I wanted to get into it.. but the sound (or lack thereof) really just takes me completely out of the film.. makes me very disconnected.

Again, I am interested to know why this was all ADR work? surely you must have gotten some decent sound on location you could use?

I liked this story. It's sweet.

You need to hook up with a good sound designer or sound recordist. The sound really brings this down. I feels too artificial. The music is quite distracting as well. With some solid sound work, I don't think you'd even need music in this.

peas.
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Okay Loki, you were proven right from your post a few weeks ago. Feels like you were just waiting to say "I told you so" though. The ADR mix isn't perfect, and the reasons for doing the ADR was completely out of necessity since our sound guy bailed on us at the last minute to work on another paid project. We went ahead and we shot it anyway and we got it done.

We'll work on tweaking the ADR for the longer edit after LossFest is over.

Glad you liked the story and were at least able to watch it.
 
Lawsuit_Boy said:
One thing that I've noticed about both of these films is that you've created a bunch of characters that we, as viewers, can genuinely care about. They're intriguing, charismatic, and charming. I really enjoyed where this film took me and the type of friendship that it established. I really liked the performances from the leads.

My critiques of this film run along the same vein as Falling Up, much like what others have already expressed. But honestly, unlike what some others have said about being taken out of the viewing experience, after the initial shock of obvious ADR work, I stopped caring and enjoyed the story.

Is it a perfect film? No. Are any of the films in this fest? Of course not. Are they at the Academy Awards? Nope. Sure, they have technical proficiency that some of us just can't get on our own, but this film has a heart, and I appreciate that the most.

Thanks for the pleasurable viewing. :beer:
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Just a beautiful comment! Thank you so much! :happy:
 
Echo what some others have said about the sound... for me, sound is the most important aspect of the production, moreso than a camera. I'd take sound over picture any day. So it was hard for me to get into this one, but the performances themselves had some nice variety and moments.

Your Anthony character had a warm, shy quality about him that was hard to dislike; he's just a guy doing the right thing, the noble thing-- and that's something easier said than done. I'm not sure about his performance... not that he didn't do anything in particular right, but I didn't attain sincerity through it, as if he believed what he was saying, but wasn't sure why he believed or felt that way... hope that makes some sense...

Jessica Sinclair did a nice job, moreso towards the end, some very touching little beats. Some of her stuff felt a little forced to me, as did some moments with Robert Nolan, but I think that is more from the writing. It just didn't feel natural, too movie-like at times. There is a lot of talking going on in the movie, not sure if it was all scripted or if there is some improv in there... but there were times when it just felt scripted to me. That could also be the ADR though... infliction and tone are never the same as the real thing, ADR always removes some of the reality of the situation.

Thanks for sharing.
 
St. Anthony was very calming, peaceful and yet towards the end there seems to be a sadness to his character. Could just be me.

Jessica has done an excellent job in both your films, she's wonderfully consistent and very impressive. You're a lucky s.o.b. for having such a talented actress at your disposal.

Again you create endearing characters that attach themselves to the audience emotions and we care about what happens to them, they really pull us into the story. The immediate connection between the characters is done exceptionally. Great work, your actors did a great job. I'm not gonna pester you on the ADR, you know it, everyone knows it, you made two entries and from what I can tell were putting a lot of time and effort into two films, something was bound to go awry. The story is enjoyable regardless just make sure to work on it. Good job!
 
Really gorgeous piece! Nice acting and ... finally... a happy ending from a Lossfest piece :-)

I think the quality of what you've done here warrants a new ADR and sound mix, really polish this up well!
 
Perfectly executed film, i found it real... good, just real perfect story and cast. Perhap's some audio issue's? But grand film, nice score. Really loved it guy's. High Five. :)
 
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