Steve:
Get the EX1.
If it is better than both the HVX200 and the HPX500, then it's a no brainer.
Get the EX1.
If it is better than both the HVX200 and the HPX500, then it's a no brainer.
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Luis Caffesse
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Everything you describe, except for the variable ramping, is available on the EX-3.
So basically you want the EX-3 with MORE options for under $10K.
I'm with David.
Sounds like the EX-1 is your best comromise for what you want.
Or save up a bit more and go for the EX-3.
I note that BH has the HPX500 at $10K and a $2000 rebate.
What is the best value in a lens for that baby?
What is the best value in a lens for that baby?
alexdias
Well-known member
The NAB for Panasonic enthusiasts (like myself) was a big disappointment.
I'm now considering dropping the DVCPRO HD codec and going for the Sony XDCAM EX.
Even with the price drop on the HPX500, there're a big market for smaller pro cameras (like the HVX) and at this point Sony has the better hand. The EX-3 looks very impressive.
At the end it's all about final results and the evidence is starting to mount.
I'm now considering dropping the DVCPRO HD codec and going for the Sony XDCAM EX.
Even with the price drop on the HPX500, there're a big market for smaller pro cameras (like the HVX) and at this point Sony has the better hand. The EX-3 looks very impressive.
At the end it's all about final results and the evidence is starting to mount.
What did you want and what did you want to pay for it?
Hi I either mis-wrote or ? But I agree,
the HVX is really bad at night shots and under the lights at a track ;
( the HVX is harder to use..not very forgiving.).
I also agree that the EX1 is way easier to use for Motor sports.
( I consider it more of a run and gun news type camera ).
After speaking to the AJA tech yesterday at NAB ( and maybe I mis-understood) The EX is HDV, and delivers a Mpeg 2 type codec in need of conversion. when delivering to networks, whereas DVCPROHD is acceptable as it lies.
In short what I was trying to say in my previous post was that:
The HVX 200 is better suited for lock down or studio type controlled environments. And the EX1 IS BETTER for run and gun news type shooting at the track. And that mixing codecs suck.
Nava
the HVX is really bad at night shots and under the lights at a track ;
( the HVX is harder to use..not very forgiving.).
I also agree that the EX1 is way easier to use for Motor sports.
( I consider it more of a run and gun news type camera ).
After speaking to the AJA tech yesterday at NAB ( and maybe I mis-understood) The EX is HDV, and delivers a Mpeg 2 type codec in need of conversion. when delivering to networks, whereas DVCPROHD is acceptable as it lies.
In short what I was trying to say in my previous post was that:
The HVX 200 is better suited for lock down or studio type controlled environments. And the EX1 IS BETTER for run and gun news type shooting at the track. And that mixing codecs suck.
Nava
Barry_Green
Moderator
Correct. Just like Sony didn't introduce any new camera to challenge the HPX170 or HMC150.
No, they instead introduced a 1/3" version with great low light, flip function, etc., etc., at about $2,000 less than the EX1. Maybe not what you want, but more than a few might be interested in it.
Well, basically the HVX and its P2 cohorts basically annihilated Sony. In Europe about 80% of tapeless sales to broadcasters are going P2. In America, about 75% or so. 80,000 units sold, and 840+ broadcasters. Sony's XDCAM has tanked, so they're now trying desperately to salvage something. The EX1 looks to be what they've got that might stick. Time will tell.
YOU want that. The market doesn't necessarily want that (I do, sure, but how many of us are there?) One only needs to look at the XLH1 vs. XHA1 to see where the market is. Sony's moving up the price scale (a $7,000 HDV camera? Huh? A $13,000 EX3? Wha?) Panasonic is moving down the price scale. HD-SDI on a $5700 unit. Waveform and vectorscope on a $4,000 unit. More, for less.
There's two sides to every story. If you want an EX1, there's plenty available. But to say that Panasonic "missed" here is perhaps a tad premature. The market will decide.
Matt Gottshalk
Resident Preditor
I have shot with both and would seriously disagree with THAT assessment.
doondoon
Well-known member
I think many people want to see the smaller camera form factor though..... a hand held camera, not a shoulder mount. That's one of my favorite things about the HVX or EX1... they're small and relatively inconspicuous but are fairly high quality too.
Cees Mutsaers
Veteran
I agree a little with this and that is why I am still indecive whether to get the HPX170 or the HPX500. A shoulder cam scare some people.
joe 1008
Veteran
I personally love to work with shouldermount cameras. What me scares off is the price. The HPX is still a very high investment. But concerning the strong Euro many europeans might invade Amercia and try to smuggle it through the customs. ("No, I didn´t buy this camera here, I use to shoot my holidays with it, sir.")
I'll jump into the fracas.
I love the HPX-170. It is everything I would have designed into the HVX. 6 pin firewire; connections on back of camera; audio controls moved to lower left of camera. No tape deck.
One aftermarket lens maker with whom I spoke was concerned that the 72mm lens diameter (as opposed to 82 on the HVX) might introduce some barrel distortion.
I reviewed the EX-1 for DV Magazine and definitely have a love-hate relationship with it. But I must say the images are sharp, low light is great, the long-GOP codec at 35 mps was more robust than I imagined it would be. I hate the controls and the ergonomics.
Rolling shutter-- I have one example on my site-- www.nedreviews.com
Yes, rolling shutter could be a problem. It did not break the shot on my site.
Red, by the way, has the same rolling shutter potential issues.
Having said all of this, I will very likely buy an EX-3. And I need to know whom to bribe so I can be Scarlet #1
Ned Soltz
I love the HPX-170. It is everything I would have designed into the HVX. 6 pin firewire; connections on back of camera; audio controls moved to lower left of camera. No tape deck.
One aftermarket lens maker with whom I spoke was concerned that the 72mm lens diameter (as opposed to 82 on the HVX) might introduce some barrel distortion.
I reviewed the EX-1 for DV Magazine and definitely have a love-hate relationship with it. But I must say the images are sharp, low light is great, the long-GOP codec at 35 mps was more robust than I imagined it would be. I hate the controls and the ergonomics.
Rolling shutter-- I have one example on my site-- www.nedreviews.com
Yes, rolling shutter could be a problem. It did not break the shot on my site.
Red, by the way, has the same rolling shutter potential issues.
Having said all of this, I will very likely buy an EX-3. And I need to know whom to bribe so I can be Scarlet #1
Ned Soltz
sarah staar
Active member
I think that a lot of shoulder cams are to heavy to carry around all day.
Thats why i love the hvx200 cams. I also like the JVC HD100 small and light.
Panasonic should bring out a a new HVX the same size as the JVC HD100.
Thats why i love the hvx200 cams. I also like the JVC HD100 small and light.
Panasonic should bring out a a new HVX the same size as the JVC HD100.
ilauzirika
Boring Senior Member
I hope that this being a switchable camera they priced it accordingly, I mean, not 5000$ and 5000€.... something more like 5000$ and 3,132.98€....
I know this won't happen... But if they don't do this the only reason to buy here will be the warranty....
alexdias
Well-known member
I'll jump into the fracas.
I love the HPX-170. It is everything I would have designed into the HVX. 6 pin firewire; connections on back of camera; audio controls moved to lower left of camera. No tape deck.
One aftermarket lens maker with whom I spoke was concerned that the 72mm lens diameter (as opposed to 82 on the HVX) might introduce some barrel distortion.
I reviewed the EX-1 for DV Magazine and definitely have a love-hate relationship with it. But I must say the images are sharp, low light is great, the long-GOP codec at 35 mps was more robust than I imagined it would be. I hate the controls and the ergonomics.
Rolling shutter-- I have one example on my site-- www.nedreviews.com
Yes, rolling shutter could be a problem. It did not break the shot on my site.
Red, by the way, has the same rolling shutter potential issues.
Having said all of this, I will very likely buy an EX-3. And I need to know whom to bribe so I can be Scarlet #1
Ned Soltz
Really!!!
I was quite disappointed to learn they haven't addressed some crucial weak points from the HVX. The LCD to name one (which btw originated this thread). The smaller lens diameter is another concern.
It seems to me like a light version of the HVX, no tape drive, slight improvement on the image quality, smaller size, a few new connectors a the rest is pretty much the same.
I don't want to be picky or a spoiler and I'm not complaining, I'm just a bit disappointed. I have a lot of money and time invested in P2 and right now I'm considering another change of format.