Screw Premiere - I'm switching to Vegas

Jade, I believe the issue you think I have is against Premiere as a program. Like it doesn't live up to other NLEs. But my problem is more with Adobe. I don't think they care about their customers. That's why I'm making this argument. If it was just "I don't like Premiere, and neither should you," that would be a silly argument. But you ignore the fact that I'm an 8 year user. This isn't a flippant response to the company that makes the program. And what I'm trying to say is, Adobe doesn't care about its users. So if you do run into trouble with this program (not to say you will -- but you probably will), don't expect Adobe to be there for you. Cause they don't care.

And if you had read my original post, you'd have read that I know these forums aren't great representations for a product's quality since they were built for people to ask about problems. However, I can say without a second thought, that I have seen more frustration in the Premiere forums (across the web) than for any other software I've ever used.
 
c.g._eads said:
I continue to insist that this is not Premiere vs. Vegas. This is "Premiere has screwed up for the last time" and Vegas is the only other real professional option for the PC that doesn't cost thousands of dollars. I think I've put forth a convincing argument for why this program isn't worth it and you'll be hard pressed to find people who use Premiere extensively and don't run into major problems, bugs, crashes, and shortcomings.
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LOL I don't see how you can say this is not a "Premiere vs. Vegas" thread other than you've already drawn all the conclusions and now plan to fill in with the justification. One needs to look no further than the title of this thread to see that. I simpathize that you've had serious problems with Premiere but I agree with others here that you're making generalizations that are not representative of most Premiere users.

I, for one, have used every version of Premiere since 6.5 and it's been very stable for me. Right now I am editing HDV footage from a Canon A1 in native HDV mode (no Cineform) and it's working well for me. Not that I don't have issues but what NLE out there doesn't have issues.

If you find that Vegas works best for you, great! However, I, for one, am not particularly interested in your plan to use this forum to evangelize others. If you really feel the need, please start a new thread over in the Vegas forum with a more positive title. I'm sure that anyone thinking of switching will be able to find it there.

-Dan
 
Despite my fair share of capture problems, audio problems, compatibility problems etc. I still think Premiere Pro is a decent NLE. I'm also running FCP6 at the moment and there isn't really a heck of a lot that it can do that PP2 can't. But the problems with the audio not playing in PP are a pain in the arse to say the least.

I mainly prefer FCP for it's support of the DVCProHD format.
 
well, this thread is out there for people who don't share the opinion of the "satisfied" Premiere customers. If it makes a few more lives easier, I'm happy because I don't believe in a company that shortchanges and takes advantage of its customers. Vegas is out there. And if you have a few more bucks, so is FCP.
 
DeVi| D0do said:
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I mainly prefer FCP for it's support of the DVCProHD format.
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I have never had too many show stopping ssues with Premiere and I have been with it from the very outset but I am migrating to FCP for mainly the same reasons as DOdo.

I feel that I have outgrown Premiere and it did not grow with me and my needs. eg HD , mxf, P2 , batch export, multiple open projects, OMF etc...

In fact I think it has been dumbed down a notch or two.

Must also say that it has served me very well and I will continue to use it for the many legacy projects I need to refer to and reuse regularly but I am very excited by the prospect of Final Cut Studio 2.
 
correct me if im wrong, but running mac os X on a PC, granted its an intel chipset, would be rediculously crappy. The drivers would have to be completely reconfigured to be optimized for the mac way.

The same reason running Windows on a Mac is posisble, however yields horrible results when doing things that require a bit of juice ( video editing and rendering ) Just not optimized for windows and therefor hauls ass.
 
Capt Quirk said:
Hey Curtis- what are your system specs for Speed Edit?
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Well, I just got a Quad 2.6, 3Gig Ram, nVidia 7600 512M, 2TB Sata which I am very happy with but it would have run on my previous Dual Xeon 2Gig with no problems.

It is super fast, you can output firewire, work in any res, realtime effects and cc, whatever. It will upres/downres on the fly too. It doesn't have batch capture so you still need Premiere for that. It will do Scene Detect on capture though so that's kind of a workaround depending on the project.

I would check out the NewTek site for system specs if you are interested.
 
Just curious what it takes to run smooth. Like I said, on my system, I only have a gig, half what Premiere requires. Prior to having to rebuild, it ran great.
 
I propose a full round of NLEthnic cleansing. If everybody would edit on Avid, we wouldn't have to fight about which program was better, haha.

I've found - not personally, but from friends in these situations - that different NLEs like Vegas or Premiere or FCP run at extreme ends of the satisfaction bar based on how your system is set up. The programs are solid - if they weren't they wouldn't be so popular - but we have to remember that HD is a relatively new arrival on the Consumer and Prosumer market. Along with that comes a lot of hardware and software interaction that can cause a lot of problems. Of course the NLEs themselves can contribute to some of these problems, but I would be willing to bet that the vast amount of glitches, bugs, etc. that people get so fed up with in their respective Editors is more an issue of their workflow and hardware setup, or even how their editor's software is interacting with other software on the computer.


As an example of what I mean:

My house has two Avid stations. One of those stations is a dedicated system custom built for the explicit prupose of Avid editing. We don't run any programs alongside Avid when we use the computer, and it is not connected to the internet. The second station doubles as my own personal computer. It was custom built as well, but with certain hardware changes to allow me to use the computer for other purposes as well. I often run Avid on this computer with other programs running, including Internet Explorer, Adobe After Effects/Photoshop, sometimes an instant messenger, and email. I can tell you that I have encountered COUNTLESS more glitches, bugs, errors, etc. with my 'online' Avid than with our dedicated Avid.

To blame a program for not working perfectly in a not-necessarilly-perfect-environment isn't, in my opinion, justified.
 
i've been a premiere user since i think premier 4 now i'm on premiere 2.0 and i love it.

I dont know why some ppl hae so many issues and bugs etc...

ever since i began editing i was always using intel chips and the best hardware i could get and am still doing it and the adobe software runs amazing. The only reason i'd switch is to go to final cut but why would i as i can do the same thing in premiere. It sux to see ppl have so many issues but hey... there are other softwares out there so go with what works for you.

Also my workstations are not connected to the internet and have nothing else running
 
I'll tell you I have had a few issues with premier pro 1.5 exporting 24pa squeeze. This is not just my hardware. I have another editor I work with experiencing the same thing. Export it to avi at all and it is unwatchable with the aspect ratio flickering. I have gone thru every senario. I do not have the time or money to spend going thru those different codecs. It only works if you export it 30 fps. Quicktime export in 24p works but is a huge file like After effects lostless export. This is an issue I have posted here as well as creative cow forums. Without an answer. Not a big deal, I figure I'll just have to shoot 4:3 and crop to a letterbox. Pisses me off to have to do that.

On top of that, adobe encore suddenly decides it will burn my dvd's up to a certain point and give me an error code. Hey I figure thats a fluke let me try it again, and again... because I have a friggin deadline to get this project done. Now lets try creating the project all over again... same thing!! Post at creative cow for help, the only answer is to create dvd folder, burn it from a different program. Let me search from my vast array of dvd programs, come on adobe!! Anyway that is now my work around, Hardware issue? no it worked before, and still works from Nero to burn em.

These along with some minor issues I have had gets me fed up. I was thinking if vegas is that much cheaper, but gets the job done with less issues, then for me its a no brainer. Now this post got me thinkin even more about it. I can see it from both sides though, that not every NLE has every issue perfected. So I find myself not wanting to spend the $500 that is burning a hole in my pocket on another NLE. I just wanted to see where this thread went.
 
The early Adobe stuff like Encore and Premiere 6.0 are actually pretty buggy, but since then they've came a long way. I've yet to run into any crashes or error in Encore 2.0 and Premiere 2.0. Hopefully I can move on to CS3 soon.
 
Anyone not using Vegas is missing out on a revelation. It's so intuitive, it's absurd.

It's simple, efficient, reliable and makes complete sense.

Forget about 'this -vs- that'. Download the demo, spend a month on it, and you won't go back.
 
it might be very simple etc but why would someone spend a month or more to learn a new NLE, unless of course they not happy wif what they have.

I tried to learn vegas and it was just not workign for me.. .i coudlnt find the basic stuff, i'm sure if it was the first NLE i picked up i' would be still using it but it wasnt. Once again it comes down to the familiarity of a NLE that a said person has. I've never had errors or minor bugs or anything in premiere maybe i got lucky i dunno. i"ll keep using it till i move to mac etc.
 
J.R. Hudson said:
One may be used to and familiar with going around their ass to get to their elbow ....
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John, I'm confused why as a mod you would jump into this discussing with such a polarizing statement. Premiere is a proven NLE and it's evident that many people here have used it successfully. This forum discourages debates on "which cameras is the best," so why not have the same policy for NLE?
 
ahhahaha.. thats funny man... mad respek

and u know what, u might have a point there but in my case i felt the same way using vegas or other NLE...

after all isnt the whole point of being a video editor to be able to use your tools with efficiency? I am very efficient with premiere just as many ppl are efficient with vegas or any other software package. This topic always comes up and its funny to read ppls comments, ppl need to use what they know. @ this point all the NLE's can prettymuch do the same job just a matter of taste i say.


J.R. Hudson said:
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