at the park - a BROTHERS TUTTLE film

jontuttle said:
We are using our shotgun. It's a Audio Technica AT897. It works pretty good outdoors but I would rather have a Shure KSM44 for ADR. It is a cheaper studio mic that has gotten good reviews. When I say cheap I mean in the $700 range compared to the several thousand range the pro ADR studios use.
I've used the KSM44 for some recordings for the score, and it's actually my main all-purpose microphone. Great sound on vocals/speech as well!
 
Herman Witkam said:
I've used the KSM44 for some recordings for the score, and it's actually my main all-purpose microphone. Great sound on vocals/speech as well!

Thanks Herman. That is great to hear. I will be getting that mic for sure now. It is always good to know a real life person has had good luck with something and recommends it to others.
 
jeremytuttle said:
Update:: 12-08-06

Not so much as an update as more of a BTS in our previs. Anyway, here is basically how we constructed our story boards.

First we went out and took some photos of the locations we wanted to use, then we chose the photos we liked and placed them on some high quality boards:
SB_Boards_400.jpg

Then we used the shots we came up with in the Shooting Script and tried to select which photos would fit where. After that we started to fill in the blanks with hand made drawings (some day we will have FF3D like the cool cats in TTN, but for now we use good old paper and pencil) placing them on my kitchen wall along with the photos:
SB_Wall01_400.jpg

This way we can see the whole story and fix things as we scan through. Here is a closer look of some of our story boards in a carefully blended collage:
SB_Mural_400.jpg

Now once all that is finalized we can throw them in notebook/photo album in order so we can reference them as we shoot. Each page has the shot#s written on top and sometimes a camera layout to the side:
SB_Boards-Book_400.jpg

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I love it... Mobile film unit, helos, adapted dolly track, the storyboarding process. This has been a great thread to check out! I love to see this sort of motivation and dedication. Can't wait to see it.
 
snodart said:
I love it... Mobile film unit, helos, adapted dolly track, the storyboarding process. This has been a great thread to check out! I love to see this sort of motivation and dedication. Can't wait to see it.

Thanks man. Can't wait to see your film too.
 
I just read about your helicopter experience, I think that's awesome you did that. A couple months ago I had to shoot some arial footage for the city of Paramount and they sent me up in a tiny thing, kind of like a suspension rig for seats and lawnmower engine -

helicopter.jpg


- and the pilot had removed the doors for shooting purposes, so my knee was hanging outside - when we first took off, the slipstream almost took the DVX right outta my hand! But, the weirdest thing was that the second I looked away from the LCD screen and paid attention to where I was, I would almost vomit, so I'd go back to shooting and everything went away ... But I know exactly what you're talking about when you're disappointed with the camera shake. There was like no way to NOT pick up shake from the motor, but when the pilot circled a spot, I managed to get a handful of seconds of decent footage here and there. I'm so looking forward to seeing how you use your chopper footage dramatically. I've heard of a guy out here in my area that rents and pilots a remote control camera helicopter and I always thought it'd be cool to utilize that one day.
 
ignatius said:
I just read about your helicopter experience, I think that's awesome you did that. A couple months ago I had to shoot some arial footage for the city of Paramount and they sent me up in a tiny thing, kind of like a suspension rig for seats and lawnmower engine -

helicopter.jpg


- and the pilot had removed the doors for shooting purposes, so my knee was hanging outside - when we first took off, the slipstream almost took the DVX right outta my hand! But, the weirdest thing was that the second I looked away from the LCD screen and paid attention to where I was, I would almost vomit, so I'd go back to shooting and everything went away ... But I know exactly what you're talking about when you're disappointed with the camera shake. There was like no way to NOT pick up shake from the motor, but when the pilot circled a spot, I managed to get a handful of seconds of decent footage here and there. I'm so looking forward to seeing how you use your chopper footage dramatically. I've heard of a guy out here in my area that rents and pilots a remote control camera helicopter and I always thought it'd be cool to utilize that one day.

We have looked into the remote control thing but never really followed up on it. I think it is a great idea but i think I would want to rent a camera just in case the thing took a dive.

My brother went up while I was on the ground and he got kinda sick too. But what is really making us sick right now is compression. 40 MB! Arrgh! Talk about a pain. It has been the worst part of this whole process.
 
jontuttle said:
But what is really making us sick right now is compression. 40 MB! Arrgh! Talk about a pain. It has been the worst part of this whole process.

Yeah, I kinda freaked over the 40MB thing, but then I did a test and changed one setting in Quicktime Pro and I got a beautiful (relatively) compressed file topping out at 33MB! Let me know if you want the settings I tried. I know compression has a lot to do with the differences between frames, so the fact that my short takes place in one location is probably helping out on the compression end.
 
ignatius said:
Yeah, I kinda freaked over the 40MB thing, but then I did a test and changed one setting in Quicktime Pro and I got a beautiful (relatively) compressed file topping out at 33MB! Let me know if you want the settings I tried. I know compression has a lot to do with the differences between frames, so the fact that my short takes place in one location is probably helping out on the compression end.

If you wouldn't mind letting me know your method that would be great. I think we got it squared away but having a couple variations to pick from is always a good idea.
 
Michael_Petro said:
story boards! I don't use no stinking story boards....as you will see

Good Luck

I have to admit the story boarding saved our asses on location. Things went a lot smoother looking at the storyboards an getting an idea of what the next shot was going to be. Our movie is actually edited pretty close to the SBs. If I get time I'd like to scan them in (or maybe shoot them with the HVX) and do a story board version on a few scenes.

Yeah, we spent all day Sunday trying to get the dang compression to do our biding and look the way it should look. We spent a while getting the brightness and contrast to match up after compression to what we had originally. We think we got a pretty good version but it was a few MB over so we still need to do some tweaking... fun fun fun.
 
Here's what I used in Quicktime Pro:

qtsettings.jpg


I found found that knocking the bit rate down to 600kbs saves about 1.5 megs per minute and doesn't really impact the final look all that much. Hope it helps.

EDIT: Have you guys figured out a way to output an mpeg2 yet? 'Cause I'm looking for some help on that end, haha.
 
ignatius said:
Here's what I used in Quicktime Pro:

qtsettings.jpg


I found found that knocking the bit rate down to 600kbs saves about 1.5 megs per minute and doesn't really impact the final look all that much. Hope it helps.

EDIT: Have you guys figured out a way to output an mpeg2 yet? 'Cause I'm looking for some help on that end, haha.

Thanks for the info. Your settings almost match ours to the T. A few differences but pretty close. I will try those out.

We are taking care of the mpeg2 tonight and I will let you know what we find. We have done it before so it should just be a refresher for us. Hang tight.
 
ignatius said:
I ended up going with a 700 bitrate because the 800 made a 40.6 meg file.

We ended up using a 700 bit rate too. Ended up with a 39.7 Meg file. Wow! right under. Thanks for your help.

We are still working with the mpeg2 file. We thought we had it then after an hour and a half of waiting found the the aspect was super stretched. Our talent looked like umpa lumpas. When we figure it out we will let you know.
 
jontuttle said:
We are still working with the mpeg2 file. We thought we had it then after an hour and a half of waiting found the the aspect was super stretched. Our talent looked like umpa lumpas. When we figure it out we will let you know.

Thanks guys, I got my entry uploaded an hour ago (took 2.2 hours to complete a 359 meg upload). I compressed out my mpeg2 using Compressor (non-PC) using the following settings:

CompressorSettings3.jpg


For what it's worth.
 
I tell ya, I've been uploading rough cuts of a 46 min. flick and I've been doing H264@400 bits, and it looks totally fine.
 
for horrorfest i had a heck of a time trying to render h.264 through QTpro - it seemed that anything under 50mb was near IMPOSSIBLE to get. However, thanks to Alex Jeffery and all you dvxusers I nailed it with something around 46mb i believe. we'll see how another day treats me! =)

-kyle
 
Brandon Rice said:
I tell ya, I've been uploading rough cuts of a 46 min. flick and I've been doing H264@400 bits, and it looks totally fine.

Yeah, the difference between 800 and 600 is almost unnoticeable. I think the higher bit rates help a little bit with softening the pixelation of enlarging the clip for full-screen viewing (which I don't normally do myself, but I know lots of people who do, resolution be damned).
 
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