GH5 How interested are you in a GH6 anymore?

NorBro said:
Don't even need to zoom in...just look at the Christmas tree lights (already linked at the correct time).

This is what has depressed us over the years and this pains me when you know they could have it right:

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Well if I was doing an interview with a christmas tree lit up I would probably switch off the AF. Yes it is not perfect for sure but better/improved, but I hope it gets better.
 
NorBro said:
Well, yeah...that's how professionals test AF. But I'm assuming you've never heard of it...

Anyone can buy a camera and still be ignorant, uninformed.

Zooming in 200%, 300% shows the AF system's flaws which you won't see with Canon or Sony in the same ideal setting.

I already explained this to you many times but you don't seem to be catching on and just go back to what people say in "reviews". lol

The Panasonics twitch and you'll see bokeh growing and shrinking over time. They don't hold focus like Canon and Sony.

I don't need to buy the camera to confirm my own results if all of the other tests I'm watching are doing the same thing.

Me owning the camera won't make it magically better.

People who don't have any AF experience don't see this. If you film a person perfectly lit, sitting in a chair looking at the camera, for about 40 seconds the Panasonic might be absolutely perfect and then all of a sudden at 41 seconds the focus starts to twitch back-and-forth. No rhyme or reason.

You don't need to listen to me but you will eventually learn for yourself when you decide you want to learn.
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It's funny you use the same reviews and videos you say we can't trust, to prove your GH hating point of view.

I have a GH3 so I know the limits of them. The GH5II would be a huge improvement and sometimes you work around it or not use it. Switch of the AF. I would buy the GH5II but I think it is over priced and I will give more time to see what the GH6 will have.
 
Zim said:
It's funny you use the same reviews and videos you say we can't trust, to prove your GH hating point of view.

I have a GH3 so I know the limits of them. The GH5II would be a huge improvement and sometimes you work around it or not use it. Switch of the AF. I would buy the GH5II but I think it is over priced and I will give more time to see what the GH6 will have.
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It's not funny, I just think we're having a language barrier here...not sure.

In short, I wouldn't trust words on paper. For videos, you can trust them more if you see the results speak for themselves (especially from multiple people).

I'll be the first one to post a Panasonic AF video holding focus perfectly for more than a minute the second I find it.
 
I take those reviews with a grain of salt. People get exuberant over a new purchase. If the GH5 II was that fantastic why would they be releasing a GH6? AF like Norbro said are dependent on conditions. There are also subtle things a person might miss. I've heard tracking box displayed doesn't always represent what really is in focus. Or it focuses ok at higher frame rates but at 24 it's not good. I've seen enough videos to know the AF can't hold a candle to Canon/Sony.
 
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Peter C. said:
I take those reviews with a grain of salt. People get exuberant over a new purchase. If the GH5 II was that fantastic why would they be releasing a GH6? AF like Norbro said are dependent on conditions. There are also subtle things a person might miss. I've heard tracking box displayed doesn't always represent what really is in focus. Or it focuses ok at higher frame rates but at 24 it's not good. I've seen enough videos to know the AF can't hold a candle to Canon/Sony.
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I guess they release it to make money. Make a few changes and charge more. They all do that. I think the GH6 should be a big upgrade...if it ever comes out.
 
A friend used to write book reviews professionally. He got promotional items in exchange but he was honest about what he was writing. On the retailers sites, one better have a solid posting history to have his review considered the final word. The YouTube reviews*, however imperfect, are 284% more reliable than the few words from buyers, real or otherwise.

*I would not pay much attention to a Tony Northrup reviews. Other than that, Gordon Laing, Gerald Undone, Jared "the Fro" Polin, Gene "the Potato Jet" Nagata, DP Review Chris Niccols & Jordan Drake, et al. do a solid enough job for their tests/previews to mean something. And one can usually get a reply.or a comment to a question.

BTW, the 284% number I found on the internet. I heard it's also reliable. Like everything else out there.
 
Peter C. said:
I take those reviews with a grain of salt. People get exuberant over a new purchase. If the GH5 II was that fantastic why would they be releasing a GH6? AF like Norbro said are dependent on conditions. There are also subtle things a person might miss. I've heard tracking box displayed doesn't always represent what really is in focus. Or it focuses ok at higher frame rates but at 24 it's not good. I've seen enough videos to know the AF can't hold a candle to Canon/Sony.
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You should clarify can't hold a candle to continuous video AF from Canon/Sony. Contrast detect has some of its own advantages for stills. Some hybrid focusing systems use both because phase detect can't always do it on its own.

You are right however contrast detect on its own will never be perfect for video. The nature of it means it has to check edge contrast and try to determine where the best contrast is. It can only do that be riding back and forth a bit. Phase detect is amazing for figuring out the initial AF and leaving it until the distance actually does change.

I find the stills AF on Panasonic to amazing. I find the AF with a push once method to be amazing. The smooth natural gradual AF that doesn't hunt however is not so great and will likely never be great. It gets better but it will never be perfect. With Panasonic if I am shooting a sit down interview or something that will be static a good portion of the time I would use push once to focus and then leave it on manual until the subject moves and I push again to focus. Its just not a good idea to leave contrast detect AF on with a mostly static subject. Then turn on continuous AF when the subject will move a lot and thats where the contrast detect keeps getting better.
 
DLD said:
Other than that, Gordon Laing, Gerald Undone, Jared "the Fro" Polin, Gene "the Potato Jet" Nagata, DP Review Chris Niccols & Jordan Drake, et al. do a solid enough job for their tests/previews to mean something.
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Hey! You forgot the Camera Conspiracies guy......

And more to the point, Jordan Drake predicts 2022 will be a banner year for m43. He implied that one product in the format should feature a stacked sensor, not that I understand the implications of that, but perhaps they have some advance knowledge other than the earlier press release concerning the sensor itself.
 
Was mentioned in post #1523, but I don't know why they didn't want to name the camera in that video. I'm not sure what that was all about.

"And as far that camera who shall not be named..."

They literally didn't say GH6 there...
 
Yeah...and completely change it. Scrap MFT and release a new FF or S35 camera.

There is no reason not to name it after already calling it a GH6 unless it's a brand new, amazing MFT line, which we'll pretend it is.

Weirdest thing I've ever seen/heard at a conference.
 
So they had an hour presentation and near the end they say "Before Spring we will release specs for a camera that will not be named". That's hilarious. I think they believe their own BS.
 
stoneinapond said:
Hey! You forgot the Camera Conspiracies guy......
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How do you figure I am not in on the conspiracies? I knows stuff.

PS. The popular Tubers and site operators, obviously, have connections with the companies. I recall Fuji flying Chris and (formerly TCS) Jordan to Japan for a factory tour and free sake. So, if a company rep says to someone, "Our company will shock the world in the third quarter", the reviewers have to pay some attention to the claim, even if the shocking part ends up being the rep's firing. In the same third quarter. For being full of crap.
 
stoneinapond said:
Did you watch it?
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Panasonic has just held its 2022 keynote press conference.

Yes, I watched it.

From an imaging point of view very little to raise the hopes of Panasonic camera users. A very short reference to the LUMIX 20th anniversary at around the 51-minute mark of a 54-minute press release video. Not even a vague reference to the Varicam/Eva camera futures. Is it the end of their cinema lineup? Where are they going I wonder?

Chris Young

https://na.panasonic.com/explore/newsroom
 
A storm's brewing...Panasonic is realizing Canon and Sony have made them into nothing...left barely anything on the bone...this is the last straw...

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I mentioned this before. Panasonic has about $70B of revenues annually. It's a huge company. The photo-video portion of their assets is peanuts compared to the overall enterprise. They can keep it or they can leave it. I'd say that having a solid camera lineup gives them some publicity in the consumer sector but they have so many things cooking at once they don't need it for the purely financial reasons. The photo-video lineup probably takes a small loss but gives their sales representatives one more reason to contact the various retailers across the globe. That alone may be worth it but would require the latest technological innovations. Or they might as well fold the tent. Being in similar circumstances, that's exactly what Samsung did and no one was wiser for it.
 
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