Zacuto shootout 2011
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Moire is moire, a higher bitrate wouldn't get rid of that.
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Compression and sharpness could be helped by a better bitrate.
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I just watched the shoot out, yeah the moire on the nikons is pretty bad. So much going for it, and then there is the moire. I had the D7000 for a little while, and gave it up because of the hot spots pixel issues. After they fixed it, I was already stuck with a 60D. It kind of made me think of the D7000 in honeymoon terms, but every time I look at that moire..... ugh! The D90 was awful about that too. Anyway, I will be shooting extensively with the D7000 for the next month, and i will be bring along the 60D. I'll try to post about how many shots actually get blown by moire, and how many get saved buy DR, iso performance, and color rendition vs a Canon crop.
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To be fair, Canon has some nasty moire too. The nikon is just a touch worse in my impressions.
The 4:2:0 codec doesn't help either. 4:2:2 with higher bitrate would help most issues with the D7000 but that isn't going to happen with this camera. Better still, a lossless compressed raw with pixel interpolation. Maybe the D400 due to be realeased in 4 weeks will get a bit closer?
bumkicho
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Not surprised D7000 didn't measure up nicely against big boys in this episode (resolution/compression/shooting charts). The same thing can be said about 1D, 5D, and 7D. When just comparing DSLRs, I thought D7000 image looked (a tad bit/subjectively) better than Canon DSLRs in low light scene. I also thought D7000 image looked sharper than Canons in flowers and spices scene (again it's my personal taste). But moire in D7000 was bad. It was just weird. Funny thing is I didn't notice it in the first episode.
Another thought, GH2 would have done well not in low light scene, but in flowers and spices/dress blow-up test.
Another thought, GH2 would have done well not in low light scene, but in flowers and spices/dress blow-up test.
Danielvilliers
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When you see the quality of the D7000 in photography it is a pity to see it. When you think it has about the same DR than the $ 50000+ Alexa!!! I hope that Nikon will come with some real advancement in the next generation that is suppose to come out next month. I think that video will become more and more important feature in the dslr market. Apart for certain diehard who will always complain that there is a button too much on there camera. For me I have bought a GH2, so even if Nikon disappoints again it won't affect me too much, more so with the hack GH2. I will have to upgrade my Nikon for my photography job but I hope they really surprise us this time.
infraredca
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The Alexa is the price of a Porsche. The D7000 the price of a bike. The fact that they are in the same race is amazing. Besides the moire which is a huge problem I thought the D7000 compared very well. Does anyone know what sharpness and contrast settings were used for the D7000? Also it would be interesting to see a comparison after optimal post production for each camera.
GH2 FTW, however it is disappointing to see the D7000 so far behind when its such an amazing photo machine. I've seen some amazing footage from the Nikon though... so at the end of the day, its a tool...
Just hope to see something impressive from Nikon with their next step with the D700fx...
Just hope to see something impressive from Nikon with their next step with the D700fx...
Yes the D7000 has nasty moire but the Canon's look pretty awful as well. I think the D7000 is better in low light but the 7D has more dynamic range. I still can't decide between the two. Also keep in mind the Canon has substantially more video experience than Nikon. I have seen some really great footage out of the Nikon and I don't think it is the bit rate that is hindering it. The Gh2 has a lower bit rate than the 7D but I think it produces cleaner footage.
It is a real shame that they left out the GH2. Pretty sure that it would have had the edge on moire among the DSLR form-factor cameras, but it would have been nice to see the low light and DR comparisons (especially since the GH1 did so badly in last year's shootout).
To my eye, these tests have shown the d7000 to be either right on par with the 7D, or slightly better. What has surprised me in these tests, is how bad the Canon 1D MK IV looks compared to the other DSLRs. I've also been surprised at how well the Sony F3 has performed. It isn't better than any of the higher end cameras, but I honestly expected it to be on par with the DSLRs.
LeavingTheCandy
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As a DP who embraced and used the Canon DSLR's from the beginning (5D, 7D and Mark IV) and now own a F3, I can tell you that the images are not even in the same league (nor should they be). I attribute most of it to the CODEC.
I would really like to know what settings they are using on the camera. When I shoot my D7000 I turn the sharpening all the way off, so if it's cranked in these tests then yes I could see it coming across as horrid. But the same thing can happen with the Canon's. I just think they should provide more details in the specific settings of the DSLR camera's.
I think you are right, especially about the codec making all the difference. Some of my prejudices against the F3 came from a pathetic trade show presentation I attended in which the Sony rep took a practically apologetic tone for the features like 4:4:4 recording that were not available at the time. The rep also couldn't get the sample footage playing on the large display, and promptly blamed it on the fact that it wasn't a Sony. Needless to say, practically all in attendance were unimpressed.
My big issue with the F3 is that I feel it should be better for the price point. As I understand it, the bare camera costs around $20K if you want 4:4:4 recording. For me, I don't understand why if you are spending that kind of cash, you wouldn't spend an extra $5K and get a Red One.