Yes, I Sold My F23...

Mike Krumlauf said:
Also, what type of tool do I need to remove this screw? Im trying to clean the other side of the IF filter.

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Mike STOOOP!! right now! dont open that...you need to blow all the dust from you camera body and then use a clear plastic bag. Put your camera and your hands inside that bag then go ahead and satisfy your OCD. If you try to open this in the cleanest room in your house you will get dust in your sensor. I assure you. May not affect you image but every time you look in that sensor it will be there staring back at you those lil specs of "why-the-$%#-did-I-open-this". Use a clear bag man.
 
keisersoze said:
Mike STOOOP!! right now! dont open that...you need to blow all the dust from you camera body and then use a clear plastic bag. Put your camera and your hands inside that bag then go ahead and satisfy your OCD. If you try to open this in the cleanest room in your house you will get dust in your sensor. I assure you. May not affect you image but every time you look in that sensor it will be there staring back at you those lil specs of "why-the-$%#-did-I-open-this". Use a clear bag man.
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Dont worry, im not opening it. Ever. lol
 
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Graded with Panavision GDP Processor Box

The lens situation is not the best hense the soft image but its a start.
 
Might be missing focus a bit...letters on shirt look more in focus than eyes. (I know it's difficult operating by yourself.)
 
NorBro said:
Might be missing focus a bit...letters on shirt look more in focus than eyes. (I know it's difficult operating by yourself.)
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Not a problem operating by myself, the lens system is just jerry rigged at the moment. Had a wide angle attachment in front of the lens and e tape is involved so it’s not going to be mathematically correct but it’s giving me an image. Next step is getting a secure and accurate Nikon mount. TBC
 
So heres my next question. With the panavision mount plate completely off the camera (just a mountless hole on the front), that effectively changes the flange distance doesnt it? With the PV plate the Flange would have been 57.1mm per Panavision standard, but, without that mount my flange number has changed... here is my question.. how do I measure the flange distance without the PV mount on the camera?

I am looking at either the Nikon or M42 route. Given the M42 adapters would sit more flush with the hole infront of the camera and the Flange between nikon and M42 are about a mm apart, i have the same odds picking either one. I think my changes of making M42 work might be a little higher and def cheaper because i dont think any premade nikon adapters are going to be thin enough to sit flush with the opening on the genesis. It would limit my lenses to just primes as there are not many wide or mid range zooms in the M42 space to my understanding. Pinching pennies on this project as you can see lol

I should mention also that the throat diameter of the PV hole is larger than both Nikon and M42 at 49.5mm where as M42 and Nikon are around 44mm i believe so the lenses would fit fine inside the throat. The more research I am doing, the more I am finding that adapting the genesis to an SLR lens mount is possible, its just finding the right combination. M42 to Canon mount has enough space to drill in the 3 screw holes to mount it securely onto the camera body, its just a matter of the flange meeting up properly. T mount is only 2.7mm off of panavisions so maybe id be better off finding an M42 to T Mount body adapter if that even exists?

I have to also find a way to attach the HDVF200 viewfinder to the camera given the viewfinder mount on the genesis is female, and I also need to get the screw mounts for the tripod machined into the PV tripod plate on the bottom.

One modification at a time lol
 
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Since the PV flange distance is so large, it's going to be hard to find something that will work. M42 won't work because it's flange distance is shorter than the PV. It would have to fit inside the mount opening. You need a flange distance larger than PV. Here's a list - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flange_focal_distance

Explanation extracted from the Wiki:

"[The flange] distance influences whether a lens from one system can be mounted with an adaptor to a camera body of another system. In order to produce an adaptor that permits focus to infinity without corrective optics, the flange-to-film distance the lens is designed for must be greater than that of the camera body it is to be adapted to, giving room for the adaptor. Camera systems with a large flange-to-film distance have lenses that can be widely adapted, while those with a small flange-to-film distance can take adaptors for many types of lenses. "
 
Well I feel like what you just explaned only applies to me adapting something from the PV mount which im not. The camera does not have that mount on it anymore which buys me space. The T mount lens was just under the inf mark and thats only because i made a mount using etape so if i had used something like JB weld where the plane was not drifting on the lens end it would match up. I believe I bought myself about 10mm of wiggle room removing the panavision mount plate as thats about how long it is.
 
Removing the PV mount did not give you 10mm. Keep in mind where the flange distance is measured; the front-facing back surface of the mount (i.e. where the screw heads are). What you removed has to be put back with the new mount.
 
Paul F said:
Removing the PV mount did not give you 10mm. Keep in mind where the flange distance is measured; the front-facing back surface of the mount (i.e. where the screw heads are). What you removed has to be put back with the new mount.
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Right. But if that was the case then the T Mount lens wouldnt have focused because it has a different FFD than a PV Lens. Its def possible. If people can get the F35 working with Nikon Glass, the same can be said for the genesis.. they are practically the same camera.

Another thing to mention is Panavision put their mount onto the F35 so, saying that its completely impossible to adapt the genesis to accept SLR lenses is a load of BS...
 
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I'm a big fan of DIY, but you're headed in the wrong direction Mike. I suggest instead of doing experiments and hoping for the best, do some reading. It may save you a lot of aggravation. You'll be able to find out with certainty what DOF you will have with a given lens at a given distance from the sensor. If you stick with short focal lengths with a lot of light, sure, you'll be able to get focus. But it won't ever be a proper adaptation.
 
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Paul F said:
I'm a big fan of DIY, but you're headed in the wrong direction Mike. I suggest instead of doing experiments and hoping for the best, do some reading. It may save you a lot of aggravation. You'll be able to find out with certainty what DOF you will have with a given lens at a given distance from the sensor. If you stick with short focal lengths, sure, you'll be able to get focus. But it won't ever be a proper adaptation.
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The only official route I know of using Panavision gear in private ownership is buying the proper Flange adapter and an Angineux Lens and as much as I would love to shell out the 3-6 grand to make that happen, i just do not have that kind of money. I've been researching my butt off on this, I have faith that I can get something to work, its just a matter of what. I know im not the only private owner of Panavision gear but their are very very few of us.. I remember reading years ago about a guy who had an old panaflex from the 80s and was using Nikon glass on it, if only I could track that down.

The other interesting thing is I know Panavision has Nikon primes with PV mounts on them for rental so the concept does exist to some degree. Its just amazing how difficult it seems to be on a budget just getting a damn lens on this thing compared to that HD900F which I had from them... that was a simple removing of their lens mount and attaching a B4 lens, but, it makes sense because I believe Panavisions Digital Primo lenses were the exact same flange distance as a normal B4 lens.

Not giving up the project, I have faith something will work out for me... :)
 
From your photo, i can see a lot of space is saved removing that mount. I could very easily get PL mount to fit this camera. I would highly suggest you consider PL over Nikon - everyone who started with Nikon f35 eventually went back. Trust me getting iris control is just too much of a pain. I could do Nikon without iris tab also, there is lots of Nikon with iris dial. But considering PL converted lens are so cheap now, get 18-35 catcan.

Not sure if you are interested in sending anyone the camera. I had to build 2 F35 PL mounts for my panavision ones and from your photo, getting PL on that camera would be the same process. I would use E mount PL adapter, remove genesis front plate and have my CNC guy make the plate to connect the 2.
 
yachacha said:
From your photo, i can see a lot of space is saved removing that mount. I could very easily get PL mount to fit this camera. I would highly suggest you consider PL over Nikon - everyone who started with Nikon f35 eventually went back. Trust me getting iris control is just too much of a pain. I could do Nikon without iris tab also, there is lots of Nikon with iris dial. But considering PL converted lens are so cheap now, get 18-35 catcan.

Not sure if you are interested in sending anyone the camera. I had to build 2 F35 PL mounts for my panavision ones and from your photo, getting PL on that camera would be the same process. I would use E mount PL adapter, remove genesis front plate and have my CNC guy make the plate to connect the 2.
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Are you sure you could get PL on there? The throat is larger on pl isn’t it? How much would this cost me for you to do and what is the turnover time looking like?
 
Can you post a photo of the ccd with lens removed, my guess is inside there is exactly the same as F35 in terms of width. Widening the front plate would not be hard and most likely would be required anyway because I would be making a plate to mount behind it.

I travel often for work so making any sort of time prediction would be irresponsible. Getting all the parts together is most time consuming, pl mount needs to come from China to save $$.
 
NorBro said:
Mike, send him a message. You don't talk money in public.
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Yet people talked about how much it was costing them openly to put a optitek prolock mount on their F35... Unless yachacha has any objections, I honestly don't care talking about money in public. Its not like im displaying my credit card information on here. I honestly have reservations sending my camera to anyone so unless its like 3 or $400 with some sort of insurance so I have piece of mind nothing will break, I doubt I will do it. yachacha if YOU feel better continuing this convo in private, email me at digitaltproductions@gmail.com

Honestly, If I cant figure something out myself, then the genesis is getting shelved until I can afford to build it up. I'm def not going to be selling it given how rare it is. Someone would need to offer me close to 6 or 7 grand for me to let it go, its just too valuable to me and we all know NOBODY is going to pay that for a genesis lol.

While I understand your concern NorBro, I'm happy to talk prices because I think honestly a process like that should be public know how incase someone needs to have it done for their F35. All they do is find the post and they know if they can afford it or not.

Finally, I would really like to stick with Nikon. Its just me, I can buy new lenses with iris control within my budget, its just a personal pref. Nikon mounted lenses I can build up with more ease than modified lenses that have PL on them.
 
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I don’t need to continue conversation, it was a curiosity for me mostly. I wanted to see Genesis working in the wild.I do think I am one of the few who could get it done. No offense but someone would have to trust me and offer what they think is fair, I have no need to sell myself here.

Honestly I have no desire to be in business of camera modification.
 
yachacha said:
I don’t need to continue conversation, it was a curiosity for me mostly. I wanted to see Genesis working in the wild.I do think I am one of the few who could get it done. No offense but someone would have to trust me and offer what they think is fair, I have no need to sell myself here.

Honestly I have no desire to be in business of camera modification.
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Understandable. If I wanted to go the Nikon route yachacha, what mount would you be using? I'd rather give it a go myself and if I come up short, we could talk? The irony is I might already have a potential buyer at my price interested in the camera so maybe I wont have to go through any of this trouble and someone with more money and time than me can actually modify it to work in the wild within private ownership.

I was just hours ago hired to direct a potentially big music video here in denver within the indie electronic scene so the sooner I have a working camera kit the better.
 
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