World Exclusive First HVX200 Footage..PART 2
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Luis Caffesse
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Don't get me wrong.
I'm not about to claim that the CineAlta or the Varicam or (heaven forbid) the HVX come even close to looking as good as 35mm. But, for now, they do look "good enough"
My point is that in the future, video will not only equal the look of film, it will surpass it.
It's inevitable.
I'm not about to claim that the CineAlta or the Varicam or (heaven forbid) the HVX come even close to looking as good as 35mm. But, for now, they do look "good enough"
My point is that in the future, video will not only equal the look of film, it will surpass it.
It's inevitable.
Barry_Green
Moderator
Luis, normally I'm on the same page as you, but I think your assertion here is not accurate at all. The Vision stocks were a huge leap forward in terms of grain performance, and that was just, what, five years ago? And already Vision 2 is out and improving even further. Film is developing at a rapid pace. The film stocks of today are cleaner, sharper, richer, faster, with wider latitude and less grain than anything we had 20 years ago. A Super16 film shot on Vision2 can (or will) look better than if that same project was shot on 35mm 20 years ago on the best stock available at that time.Luis Caffesse said:
Film isn't done improving.
As to the rest of your point, you're probably right. In the larger picture, film isn't improving nearly as quickly as video quality is. Film may have a lead now, and it may be moving at a decent pace, but video is moving at a much, much faster pace, and it won't be too much longer before it catches and surpasses film.
Luis Caffesse
Admin
Alright... I admit, I probably got caught up in my own hyperbolic rant.
But you hit the nail on the head of what I was trying to say:
"Film isn't improving nearly as quickly as video quality is"
I concede that Vision stocks were a huge leap, and we may still see some more 'leaps' in stocks in the years to come.
But I would say that the difference between 'preVision' and 'postVision' stocks are nothing compared to the difference between BetaSP and HD-SR (for example).
I think we're on the same page, I may have just gotten a bit "Howard Dean" on the topic.
But you hit the nail on the head of what I was trying to say:
"Film isn't improving nearly as quickly as video quality is"
I concede that Vision stocks were a huge leap, and we may still see some more 'leaps' in stocks in the years to come.
But I would say that the difference between 'preVision' and 'postVision' stocks are nothing compared to the difference between BetaSP and HD-SR (for example).
I think we're on the same page, I may have just gotten a bit "Howard Dean" on the topic.
Mr. Blonde
RED Advocate
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Barry_Green
Moderator
It looked good in print, I'll say that.
In fact, it looked so good, and sounded so good, it sounded like it could have come from one of a number of celebrity spokesmen who pride themselves on their alliterative skills. I think I might suggest a new avatar for you. Perhaps Jesse Jackson:
Or, even better, Al Sharpton:
Or, if the glove does not fit, you must acquit:
(now, look at Johnnie, and listen to Luis' quote again:
"Film looks as good as it ever will right now, it's not going to get any better.
Video looks as bad as it ever will right now, it's only going to get better from here."
Hmmm. I dunno. I think Al Sharpton works best for that quote.)
In fact, it looked so good, and sounded so good, it sounded like it could have come from one of a number of celebrity spokesmen who pride themselves on their alliterative skills. I think I might suggest a new avatar for you. Perhaps Jesse Jackson:
Or, even better, Al Sharpton:
Or, if the glove does not fit, you must acquit:
(now, look at Johnnie, and listen to Luis' quote again:
"Film looks as good as it ever will right now, it's not going to get any better.
Video looks as bad as it ever will right now, it's only going to get better from here."
Hmmm. I dunno. I think Al Sharpton works best for that quote.)
Mr. Blonde
RED Advocate
I wanted to say to Governor Dean, don't be hard on yourself about hooting and hollering. If I had spent the money you did and got 18 percent, I'd still be in Iowa hooting and hollering.
-Al Sharpton
-Al Sharpton
I'll play the devils advocate here. :evil:
Film may be getting better and better... the best it's ever been; video may be getting more advanced, and at a faster rate than film, until one day it may even surpass it; but I have yet to see imagery as stunningly beautiful as those from films like The Conformist, Days of Heaven, Apocalypse Now, Blade Runner, Godfathers, Sophies Choice...McCabe&Mrs Miller....<insert old school film here> etc... from films shot some 20-30 years ago.
Film may be getting better and better... the best it's ever been; video may be getting more advanced, and at a faster rate than film, until one day it may even surpass it; but I have yet to see imagery as stunningly beautiful as those from films like The Conformist, Days of Heaven, Apocalypse Now, Blade Runner, Godfathers, Sophies Choice...McCabe&Mrs Miller....<insert old school film here> etc... from films shot some 20-30 years ago.
Antoine_Fabi
Well-known member
Absolutely, but you're referring to a whole different story then...
The artistic way of making such great films... Story, actors, DPs, lighting, filters, etc...etc...
I think you'd give those people a digital setup and i bet they'd still produce stunning footage.
The artistic way of making such great films... Story, actors, DPs, lighting, filters, etc...etc...
I think you'd give those people a digital setup and i bet they'd still produce stunning footage.
Luis Caffesse
Admin
Hahahahah
Barry.... I'm not sure if that's a compliment or an insult.
As I sit here and listen to Howard Stern's last 'terrestrial radio' broadcast I can see how easy it is to get caught up in hyperbole.
Opcode: I would agree, I have yet to see imagery to rival that of Lawrence of Arabia, or Days of Heaven, etc. But it's only a matter of time.
When it comes to technology one thing is clear by looking at the past, we should never say never.
Barry.... I'm not sure if that's a compliment or an insult.
As I sit here and listen to Howard Stern's last 'terrestrial radio' broadcast I can see how easy it is to get caught up in hyperbole.
Opcode: I would agree, I have yet to see imagery to rival that of Lawrence of Arabia, or Days of Heaven, etc. But it's only a matter of time.
When it comes to technology one thing is clear by looking at the past, we should never say never.
Zig_Zigman
Well-known member
Thought I'd check back to see whether I was buried or not for the super16mm looks better comment...*L*
Hey I'm getting one of these HVX cams, let's not doubt that. But I would not shoot a feature on it. I know some people will, but I'm telling you, if you can afford to shoot a feature on this, you can probably afford super16mm. And super16mm looks simple splendiforous these days. And if you're saying "I've only got 20k for my feature Zigman, and I'm shooting it cuz that's my dream, so STFU", I say you won't get a very good feature for 20k so wait till you've got 80k and shoot super16mm. If the script is *that* good, you can get more money...
However, TV shows could easily be shot with this, along with anything piped down the 'net for the next 3 years at least...and the firestore will easily make this the best doc cam going. Panny will sell 100k of these, and I'm glad.
Hey I'm getting one of these HVX cams, let's not doubt that. But I would not shoot a feature on it. I know some people will, but I'm telling you, if you can afford to shoot a feature on this, you can probably afford super16mm. And super16mm looks simple splendiforous these days. And if you're saying "I've only got 20k for my feature Zigman, and I'm shooting it cuz that's my dream, so STFU", I say you won't get a very good feature for 20k so wait till you've got 80k and shoot super16mm. If the script is *that* good, you can get more money...
However, TV shows could easily be shot with this, along with anything piped down the 'net for the next 3 years at least...and the firestore will easily make this the best doc cam going. Panny will sell 100k of these, and I'm glad.
Barry_Green
Moderator
NO insult intended! I was just being goofy at 1:00 in the morning, and I saw how nicely that quote looked in print, and I thought -- that looks like something Jesse jackson would say, and -- well, it went from there...Luis Caffesse said:
Barry_Green
Moderator
Zig_Zigman said:
People will probably vilify Zig for this, but the sentiment is dead-on. I'm not saying that you HAVE to shoot on film, but the concept of "if the script is *that* good, you can get more money" and its inverse corollary: if you can't get more money, perhaps your script isn't that good...
smelni
Veteran
I am not sure the "goodness" of a script and money are tightly correlated. There probably is some relationship but very loose.
More important is the team you build, what the investment parameters are for the investors, and MOST important, how well you can convey what the final product wil look and feel like. Many people with the money cant read an amazing script and understand how that translates to the screen and where the money goes. And then you can have a script like napolean dynamite that I would think on paper looked terrible or at least hard to imagine but the film turned out great.
Of course this is most true at the low end of the spectrum - people prob can have an easy time understanding what steven speilberg would bring to any script and part with their money for that.
So IMHO "goodness" of script does not equate to "ability to get more money" - it simply helps.
More important is the team you build, what the investment parameters are for the investors, and MOST important, how well you can convey what the final product wil look and feel like. Many people with the money cant read an amazing script and understand how that translates to the screen and where the money goes. And then you can have a script like napolean dynamite that I would think on paper looked terrible or at least hard to imagine but the film turned out great.
Of course this is most true at the low end of the spectrum - people prob can have an easy time understanding what steven speilberg would bring to any script and part with their money for that.
So IMHO "goodness" of script does not equate to "ability to get more money" - it simply helps.
Rick Meyer
Veteran
Luis Caffesse said:
Keep in mind, it is difficult to compare video quality to film quality. It's like asking, "what tastes better, apples or oranges?" They are both good, just different. Film is a chemical process and video is an electronic one. Both are capable of producing some outstanding images. However, they are entirely different mediums.
And like many others on this board, I'd like to be a film traditionalist. However, I can't afford to be. Besides, hanging on to the necessity of the almighty film stock is like refusing to edit on an NLE in favor of a movieola. It's noble. But, it's antiquated thinking I'm afraid. Times are a' changing.
Instead of comparing film to video, you'd put your energy to best use by picking the right format for the job and finding the best way to make that image, whatever the medium, look good.
I for one have grown to love the characteristics of clean, well-lit video. And, it's only going to get better from here.
Rick
Rick Meyer
Veteran
Don Tucci said:
Hey Don, how is Encino these days? I used to live in Encino a few years back and miss it fierce sometimes.
FREUDENBERG_FILMS
Well-known member
Its been a while since ive been on this site as I have been waiting for this moment. Finnaly the HVX footage is here for all to look at.... But there is something more id like if im not too greedy.
Id like to see some HVX footage shot on GREEN SCREEN so I can do some testing myself. You guys have brought us some top notch pics and footage but can we see some GREEN SCREEN footage and BLUE SCREEN footage shot on the HVX200.
Thanks and a HAPPY NEW YEAR to all here at DVXUSER
Michael Freudenberg :thumbsup:
Id like to see some HVX footage shot on GREEN SCREEN so I can do some testing myself. You guys have brought us some top notch pics and footage but can we see some GREEN SCREEN footage and BLUE SCREEN footage shot on the HVX200.
Thanks and a HAPPY NEW YEAR to all here at DVXUSER
Michael Freudenberg :thumbsup:
Color Correction? Lighting?
Color Correction? Lighting?
Sorry if I missed this part but does the first shot? The one with the car driving up and the guitar.... does that have some color correction on it? Man! It looks awesome! It must!
It looks different that the color in other posts? How come? Did you use lighting on the car shot? I don't see where you could. Looks wonderful so I want to know if that was the camera or the lighting or the color correction.
Also, who is that actor? I met him in LA at a film festival. He's a cool guy.
Color Correction? Lighting?
Sorry if I missed this part but does the first shot? The one with the car driving up and the guitar.... does that have some color correction on it? Man! It looks awesome! It must!
It looks different that the color in other posts? How come? Did you use lighting on the car shot? I don't see where you could. Looks wonderful so I want to know if that was the camera or the lighting or the color correction.
Also, who is that actor? I met him in LA at a film festival. He's a cool guy.
Barry_Green
Moderator
No color correction whatsoever -- it's straight out of the camera. No post work of any type was done on these clips.Edventure said:
Cloudy day, so sometimes the sun would peek through, sometimes not. We didn't try chasing the white balance, so that may account for the color shift.
Nope -- straight raw point-the-camera-at-the-scene.
Thanks for saying so. What you're seeing is the combination of a talented cinematographer who knows how to use the tool, combined with an utterly superb tool. While we may not have used artificial lighting enhancement, he still set the camera and chose the composition and angled the shot to take advantage of the light we had available to us.
His name's Marcus, and he's a member of The Blue Man Group.
http://www.blueman.com/